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1) When Neal abandoned his father and immobilized him with the squid ink did anyone else think of how Emma abandoned Hook on the beanstalk and how that came back to bite her.
Neal must sooner rather than later come to realization that he is his father’s son. The more he denies it the bigger the rift he has got to drop the anger or I fear Henry will fall into the family trap.
Didn’t make the connection with the beanstalk. It just made me think of other times we’ve seen magical folks frozen, like when Cinderella did it to Rumple, and when Blue did it to Regina.
I dunno that Neal’s gonna descend into darkness or anything. I think that his using of magic and manipulation, and his desperation to get back to and save his son is gonna give him a new understanding of what his father went through in trying to find him, and I think that that level of understanding will be vital to Neal and Rumple healing their relationship. Because as it stands, Neal is all, “NOPE, can’t trust you coz you’re an obsessed, crazy, dangerous man on a mission,” and in time he’ll appreciate the lengths a desperate father will go to, because he’ll be doing things he normally wouldn’t as he tries to save Henry. He’ll do questionable things, but inspired by love, and he’ll realise that his father really did always love him as well. But Neal spent centuries in NL before without it corrupting his soul, so I’m not worried about him wandering too far down a dark path.
[adrotate group="5"]Showing how resourceful Neal is. (escaping from Felix, harpooning the squid, tricking Peter to touching the squid ink, tricking Rumple to holding the squid ink, seeing the secret map that young Nealfire made.) He is all kinds of awesome to me at this point. His first attempt to save Henry was pretty good in my opinion given how powerful Peter is.
It’s so cool to see him doing his thing in NL. We never saw much of what he was doing in boring old our world, but seeing how he’s just going here and going there, and “Yeah I’ll totally just summon and spear this giant squid coz I know all about how to use the ink,” and he outwitted Pan with the arrow, and he made secret star maps in coconut shells. He is awesome. I could just imagine him running around NL as a kid, figuring all this stuff out, and even though he hates the place, he’s really in his element right now.
Rumple/Neal moments about the prophecy. Heartbreaking but great acting between Bobby and Michael. I can really buy that they are father and son with a lot of history. Maybe I’m the only one who was a bit glad that Neal gave Rumple a taste of his own medicine after he finds out that his OWN FATHER WAS CONTEMPLATING TO KILL HIS SON. If I was a parent I would get my child away too. I love seeing Neal’s devotion to Henry, even if it meant breaking his own relationship to his manipulative father.
Their scenes were so fabulous. Totally agreed that they make a convincing father/son pair. I can really believe that Bae’s history is something that Neal lived through and remembers. I don’t blame him for tricking Rumple and taking Henry either. He knew that if his Papa snapped, he wouldn’t be able to protect Henry, so he had no choice but to try and go out on their own. Was so heartbreaking when he walked off, leaving Rumple frozen to the spot.
Peter Pan playing his “games” I’m loving him more and more. He give Rumple a run for his money in manipluation
Serious kudos to Robbie Kay, because Pan is creepy as all getout. He can be acting a scene face to face with Robert Carlyle, and I can totally believe that Robbie’s character is the older, more controlling one. The guy is barely 18 and he can hold his own and then some against Robert freakin’ Carlyle.
Like:
– The way Neal tricked Rumpel was a lot like the way August tricked Rumpel back in season 1: tender reconciliation as a big “Psych!” handshake.Oh nice catch, it was very similar.
I love that they made Pan the Pied Piper as well. It fits so perfectly!!
Would love to know where his pan pipe came from. The story of the god Pan’s flute does involve a nymph, which I guess could maybe be replace by a (Blue) Fairy if they wanted to twist it up somehow…
One of the famous myths of Pan involves the origin of his pan flute, fashioned from lengths of hollow reed. Syrinx was a lovely water-nymph of Arcadia, daughter of Landon, the river-god. As she was returning from the hunt one day, Pan met her. To escape from his importunities, the fair nymph ran away and didn’t stop to hear his compliments. He pursued from Mount Lycaeum until she came to her sisters who immediately changed her into a reed. When the air blew through the reeds, it produced a plaintive melody. The god, still infatuated, took some of the reeds, because he could not identify which reed she became, and cut seven pieces (or according to some versions, nine), joined them side by side in gradually decreasing lengths, and formed the musical instrument bearing the name of his beloved Syrinx. Henceforth Pan was seldom seen without it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(mythology)
(Also, he once had a musical showdown with Apollo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(mythology)#Pan_and_music )Perhaps his shadow taught him how to do it? He WAS looking for friends after all… maybe his shadow took on its own personality because Pan was going nuts?
Like, his shadow was sort of an imaginary friend because he was so lonely, and because NL is fueled by imagination, the shadow did actually gradually take on an actual persona of its own? And eventually it became strong enough that it wanted to be independent, so it told Pan to cut it free?
I starting to doubt that the Shadow actually belongs to PP. I think it was Phee who pointed out that PP clearly still has his shadow attached to him (if you look closely). So either that is poor editing or deliberate.
Yeah in 301 there was a scene where it clearly showed his shadow, alongside Henry’s. But then we wondered if it’s possible that his shadow can reattach and detach at will. So I’m still in two minds about whether or not the Shadow is Pan’s, or something/one completely different.
Also, I think PP is stranded in NL by the Shadow. And while he still plays his enchanted pipe, he only does so with the Lost Boys now, since he himself can’t travel anyway. He’s lost the ability to fly as he has lost belief and magic. That is why he needs Henry’s belief to save magic.
So does Pan want to be able to leave NL again, then? If so for what purpose? Just so he can go on another recruitment mission?
I loved pretty much every moment of this ep!
Except for Leggy, because I have a phobia of tentacled creatures, but Neal killed it, so he’s my hero.
Ah, thanks storyteller, I was hoping someone would know about this sort of stuff. All I knew for sure was the that other guy in the promo with all the tassels on his lapels had to be the Captain.
I mean, I guess navy blue and gold trim is sort of a staple for a Navy uniform. But given the context of this show, they totally went and dressed him in a way that brings Eric to mind, which is rather curious. They didn’t have to make Killian a Navy man in that uniform at all, they coulda given him a different back story. So did Killian possibly serve in the Navy that served Eric’s ancestors? Could we maybe be getting a Hook/Eric mashup of sorts after all?
What would explain it…. if Rumple was the golden child despite “causing” his mother’s death and Pan was shoved aside….
In Barrie’s original book, Pan flew off with the fairies at random, and only stopped visiting his mother when he was “replaced” (and barred out of the windows) by a new baby. Tweaking that to be the OUaT universe Dark Pan, Peter ran off when he was “replaced” in a parental figure’s love* by baby Rumple. Older siblings beating up younger siblings from jealousy isn’t out of the ordinary.
YES, THIS!!
On the name thing I teach a student who is an identical twin. He is called Glenn and his brother is Wolfgang. He hates that he has the normal name so I call him Glenn CoCo.
Such a random pair of names! 😆
