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What age is our Pan supposed to be stuck at? I’m wanting to say that an article somewhere had K&H refer to him as a 15 year old, but might be completely making that up? I know the actor is 18, (many fans are rejoicing that he’s legal :lol:), but what about the character? I’ve had it in my head for a while that when he see Wendy again she’ll be about 20, which is why they cast a 19 year old. If so, and if they’re trying to pass Pan off as perpetually 15, then they’d be squicky as a pair.
I’ve also had it in my head that if she’s in NL, she’s being held prisoner there. I guess there’d potentially be shades of Rumbelle to it, (which could be a fun little parallel story if Pan and Rumple do end up being brothers), and if Wendy’s been held there for a really long time, perhaps she’s realised there’s good in Pan, the way Belle saw good in Rumple. Difference is though, Belle has never been shown as being scared of Rumple, she’s always been defiant and self assured. Can’t say the same for Wendy when she came back from NL and was talking to Bae. So unless those tears and the trembling voice were all an act, I just dunno if I could get behind the idea of Wendy and Pan becoming a pair.
[adrotate group="5"]The only thing that goes against that PP does not intend to kill Henry is the line Felix had saying “oh you are not the boy? Then you get to live”. Felix may not have known though what PP wants or why. Given how PP treated GOAT I think his motto may be “need to know basis and you do not need to know” and easier to get Felix loyal if he does not say we need this kid to really believe to keep the staus quo.
I know A&E talked about Pan as being like Kurtz from Heart of Darkness, the Joseph Conrad novel. Pan enjoys being a demi-god to the others but they may be seething with rage and resentment against him, so if they knew he had a weakness, they might rebel. In the original PP novel/Play the other boys want to go with Wendy and he alone stays.
I wonder if Felix thinks that Pan wants Henry’s shadow? We’ve seen that having that ripped can kill a person, so his line about Bae getting to live would make sense.
Something else I’ve been wondering is whether or not the Lost Ones still have their hearts? Or did Pan yank them out, to ensure blind loyalty of his posse? If Pan can take hearts, could that be how Rumple discovered it was possible, if he witnessed it on a visit to NL?
Have read that blurb about 10 times and can’t decide if the bit about magic fading is something Jared actually knows, and the aging bit is just a guess…or if the whole thing is a guess.
Ah OK. It’s curious though, because wasn’t that Reawakened book also supposed to be canon, but it said stuff about Emma holding Henry right after he was born or something like that? I don’t actually have the book, so may be completely wrong, but am sure I saw something about that on tumblr the other day?
Good point. I don’t think we have seen Regina heal anyone.
She typically uses her powers to attack, control and destroy. Healing people instantly is a bit more like playing God, so I do wonder if that’s a power that only the Dark One, and at least one fairy wand, possess. Actually, that raises an interesting question, maybe Rumple wasn’t lying about that wand being evil, because the ability to restore health and life isn’t ethical, and is something that only really dark magic can do?
They did promise us more PapaCharming and Emma moments. Her saving her dad’s life would be a pretty big one. Ok, I’m sorta convinced. Charming is injured (poison perhaps) and hides the extent of his injuries.
See I don’t get his why hide it when Regina can heal him?
Have we actually seen Regina heal anyone before? I was wondering about this the other day, and couldn’t remember. Had been thinking about it in relation to Hook maybe one day getting his hand back, and if Rumple loses his Dark One powers, maybe he can’t re-attach limbs any more, and Emma would have to do it, which led to wondering if Regina would be able to do it too.
BTS pics for 302 show that Regina’s gonna get a cut on her face in flashback, so I suppose we’ll get an answer as to her healing abilities, because if she can do it, they’ll show her fixing her scratch, the way Rumple did with his when Charming nicked him on the face.
You mean this interview from Entertainment Weekly? Ta-da!
Yep, that’s the one! Thanks for posting the proper quote.
It would be fantastic to have The Lion King’s Simba/Nala collision once again in the jungle like they did in Manhattan.
😆 From now on, whenever I watch that scene, I’m gonna be imagining them as lions.
Another detail of the “Poetic” story that I hope the writers are doing.
Exactly. This is an example of why I say that as fun as it can be to notice parallels with other couples, I don’t consider that to be necessary as a means to prove the validity of SF. Their story has been crafted in such a way that it’s strong and special and IMO inevitable in its own right.
Deleted DVD scenes are canon, and didn’t that deleted George scene have him say something about Charming having darkness in him too or something along those lines? Perhaps they included the scene in the DVD because they intend to tap into that as part of his NL arc.
Peter Pan’s comments could easily be a writer reacting to fandom reacting to plot decisions and characters. “It is much easier to make people hate than believe.”
I’ll bet Adam thinks that line as a mantra whenever he goes to check his @ replies. 😛
So I do worry, are these guys going to react to the constant negative comments from a small part of the fanbase that is well represented on twitter and tumblr? When I see reviews from less internet based, more general audience sources like grandmotherly Barbara Barnett, the audience is rooting for Neal and Emma. It is only here online that I ever got the sense that people thought the story was the other way around, that we were supposed to root for her to break his heart, in even more spectacular fashion than he broke hers, and for far less noble a reason than “I needed to get out of the way of a curse.”
There was that interview recently, where I think it was Eddy said that shippers bring a great, fun element to the fandom, but they’re telling a broader story with large arcs. Don’t even remember where the interview was from to look it up and get the exact quote, I just remember being struck by the “but” that came after him mentioning how great shippers are, and it gave me confidence that whatever their plan is, it’s not gonna be swayed by a vocal minority of fans online.
The way I see the overall story having been constructed, it seems IMO that they’ve been weaving little threads of SF into the story the whole time, which makes me think that SF is their overall gameplan. And if they’ve gone to that much effort to set their connection up, all of it would go to waste if they suddenly changed the outcome.
I can’t see Emma faulting him as much as the fanbase does for getting involved with someone else, but then I wasnt’ quite expecting her to take David and MM to task that much.
I felt though her issue wasn’t “you left me and I can’t trust you,” but it really was more what she said, the fact they left her was incidental to it, but she is the same age, she has had different experience, and they were not respecting her wisdom. They were insisting they knew more and better and Emma is not a follower. She doesn’t know or feel comfortable claiming herself a leader ( and I think this is where next week episode will go with parallels between Snowing arguing about claiming the kingdom or living on a small farm together ). So with Neal the same thing applies, that he has missed a huge part of her life as an adult, and she of his, and are these two people who are in the same space in their lives for that rekindled love to blossom to full true love? I feel that’s a question the writers are posing, and exploring, and some fans shout resoundingly “Noooo!” and we here on this thread are saying “ooh, I hope so.”
It was definitely about the lack of respect she felt with her parents. They still consider her their little girl, which frustrates her, because she’s an adult. I think she’s probably well on her way to accepting that they sent her away for a good reason. Doesn’t mean she likes it, but she accepts that it was inevitable. So I’d imagine she’s at a similar place over Neal having left her too.
As for the question of are they at the same place in their lives right now, I guess it’s tricky, because no matter if they have similar experiences, the fact remains that the first couple hundred years of his life were spent in magical worlds, so much like Snow and Charming, that other way of life will always be part of what makes up who he is. I think though, at the same time, he can understand her reluctance in regards to all the FTL stuff, because he ran away from it and wasn’t keen to ever go back. So I think he embraced our magic-less world pretty eagerly, and because of that will have an understanding of Emma that no one else does. They may have lived as though they were in our world all those years in SB, but that wasn’t really the real world. Neal’s been out there, living it, and knows exactly what Emma has had to deal with for her whole life, and how her mind works as a result.
So he gets her on the level of what it’s like to be a lonely kid, trying to survive in our world. And he also gets her on the level of being a reluctant FTL kid. He also gets her on the level of suddenly having to come to grips with being a parent. So I think he’s someone she could find solace in, when everyone and everything else around them seems ridiculous.
I don’t see grand romance for them immediately. I think they’ll start to re-discover each other properly as they keep going on this quest to save their son, and after that, their love will bubble up to the surface. In Tallahassee, when they’re robbing the store and Emma pretends to go into labor, as they’re running to the car, Neal says, “The little guy saved us,” and I like to think of that line as foreshadowing. Not that they should or will come back together romantically for Henry’s sake, but that them having to come together to save Henry is what will kickstart them really getting to know each other again, which is what will inevitably lead back to romance.
If he enters her life expecting to pick up exactly where they left off, I can see Emma bristling at that. Of course, with all the other characters in the mix, I don’t see how they could even for one second feel it was “them against the world again”–for both of them, there are too many people who matter now. So they would have to find a different rhythm but I hope they will. We just have to wait for more!
I can imagine, the first night after he gets to NL, while everyone else is asleep, Neal and Emma are sitting together, apart from the rest, having a slightly awkward “about the portal” conversation. I wouldn’t wanna see him pushing for anything, because they have other things to focus on right now, but I’d like for him to say something like, “When I said I love you, I just need you to know that I meant it.” Then she’ll say she meant it too, and rest her head on his shoulder, and he’ll wrap his arm around her, and that’s the end of the scene. Maybe at the very end toss in a shot of a sneaky pirate, eavesdropping and looking ambiguously lost in thought, just for the sake of drama.
