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I would LOVE to see Jefferson again. Just dunno if it’s likely right now, considering every time K&H are asked about him coming back, they talk about Sebastian being a busy guy and scheduling being tricky, but they’ll always have the door open to him to come back if possible. Unless they’re being especially sneaky, it doesn’t sound like there are immediate plans for more Jefferson.

Jefferson couldn’t create a magical hat all on his own, that’s why he forced Emma into making one for him. That hat wasn’t magical when she made it, but it’s probably still lying around somewhere and may be workable now, with magic being back. Who knows if they have any plans to bring that hat back into play at any point. It would come in handy as a plot device if they wanted to bring Jefferson back at any point, though.

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This post is long and a bit all over the place, because I’m not entirely sure what to make of the Tink situation yet.

Firstly, where does this pic fit in the timeline? We’ve seen Regina in that dress twice before, once just before her wedding, and once before Daniel died.

If it’s back in the day before Daniel died, maybe Regina had just gone to stroll in the nearby village as she often did, and Tink came to her, (as she’d done before, because she’s her FGM), and Regina started gushing about this really cute boy who just started working in the stables, but she doesn’t have anyone to talk to about it, because she knows that if her mother found out she liked him, she’d get in trouble. And Tink can say that true love is the most powerful magic of all, and if Regina loves the stable boy, she should just go for it, and there’s no way Cora could ever tear them apart.

That could either be Tink being a genuinely caring and encouraging FGM, or it could be Sneaky Tink who knows the future, encouraging Regina down the path that would end up with her heart broken, which would end up with her turning evil, which would end up with her casting the Curse for Rumple and PP.

If it’s before the wedding, but after Regina moves into Leopold’s place, this could be the future Queen exploring her new home, getting to know the people she was going to be ruling over, trying to find something to brighten up the otherwise crap situation she’d ended up in. It would be nice (and heart wrenching) to see her interacting with the peasants in a positive way, instead of how we usually see them hating her and her killing them and stuff.

If Regina had known Tink previously as her FGM, would they appear so chummy in the pic? If I was Regina, and my FGM hadn’t come to help out when my true love’s life was in danger, I’d be pretty pissed at said FGM, not walking along arm in arm with her all smiley. So perhaps Tink hadn’t ever appeared to Regina previously, but was appearing now because Regina was struggling to come to terms with the new direction her life was taking and needed some help. Though again, if I were Regina, I’d be all, “And only now are you showing up to help me? Coulda used your help even more a couple of weeks ago! Thanks for nothin’!” As opposed to the smiley pic.

If it’s just after the wedding, again, Regina could be mingling with the people she’s begun to rule over, getting to know them, trying to find something positive in her crap situation. It would probably have to be rather soon after the wedding, because Regina started working with Rumple when the wedding happened, and it didn’t take that long for her to become totally bitter and dark, so I can’t see her cheerily hanging out with the peasants for any great length of time after the wedding.

And again, I can’t really see her being all smiley with Tink if she’s around after the wedding, when Regina’s life is officially on a downward spiral, because if fairy magic is on offer, it really should have helped her get out of that downward spiral some time ago, before she ended up completely trapped in it. If I were Regina, I’d be sort of annoyed with Tink by that point in time, not laughing with her like she was my BFF.

Then again, it’s not often that Regina acts in a way that I think makes sense, so perhaps my own mindset isn’t even valid in this argument. 😛

Then we have the question of Tink’s allegiance. Who does she work for? What’s her motivation? Can she flit back and forth between worlds?

Traditionally, pixie dust from Tink made the JR fly out of NL. If Tink’s pixie dust has the same abilities in the show, then yes, she herself should be able to move between worlds at will, (though if she does end up being Regina’s FGM, I’d guess that FTL is Tink’s primary residence, because it wouldn’t make much sense for her to be given a charge who lives in a whole, separate world). But maybe, at some point after this scene with Regina, Tink got shut out of FTL. Cora’s magical, but once she went through the Looking Glass, she didn’t have a way to get back to FTL, so perhaps the same could be true for Tink? Rumple is the one who arranged the one way trip for Cora, so probably had the ability to arrange a similar situation for Tink if she was being a genuine FGM to Regina, which was screwing up Rumple’s plans. Given that we haven’t seen Tink coming to see Regina during her EQ days, I’m inclined to think that it was because Tink couldn’t actually get to her. It’s either that, or she was just straight up ignoring Regina’s need for help.

So was Tink a long term resident of NL and buddy of PP’s, or did she only end up there more recently? Either way, she could have worked with him at some point, and played a role in the plan to get Henry. If she’d known and worked with him for a long time, it just means that she’d probably been manipulating Regina from the getgo. If she only met PP more recently, she could still have ended up working for him, helping to communicate with THO. Even if Tink got shut out of FTL, that doesn’t mean she also got shut out of our world.

Maybe PP needed her in NL, because the ability to travel between worlds was a power unique to her, and he needed to be able to do that in order for the lines of communication between him and THO to be possible. Though, the Shadow was able to fly back and forth to our world, so PP must have already had that ability to cross between worlds, I guess. Maybe the Shadow was the only being that could actually leave, and PP needed someone else as well, to act as liaison with THO, so that’s why he needed Tink?

Anyway if Rumple did kick her out of FTL, he may have been doing it, (knowingly or not), on behalf of PP. If it was Blue who kicked Tink to NL, again, she could have been doing it on behalf of PP, (most likely knowingly in her case).

Going way back to the start of my post, talking about FGM Tink maybe encouraging Regina to go for it with the cute stable boy, those two being happy would have changed the course of history. If Blue was aware of the prophecy, was maybe even in cahoots with PP concerning the whole thing, then she wouldn’t want Tink around, encouraging and helping to protect Regina’s love for Daniel. Blue could have told Tink to back off, and when Tink told her where to go, Blue took action and booted her out of FTL.

What I like about this scenario, (apart from it reinforcing Sneaky Fairy, which is always fun), is that it could make Regina in present day re-evaluate her perception of Tink, which could in turn lead to her re-evaluating her perception of Snow, and YAY character development.

Regina thinks Tink abandoned her, so she’s resentful towards her. Turns out, Tink actually tried to be there genuinely for Regina, but circumstances she wasn’t in control of led to Regina feeling betrayed by her.

Regina thinks Snow is the reason Daniel died, so she’s resentful towards her. But really, it was Cora’s manipulation that put Snow in a situation she wasn’t in control of, which led to Regina feeling betrayed by her.

If she comes to a realisation about the truth of her relationship with Tink, that should have a flow on affect to her relationship with Snow.

Also, imagine if Tink reveals to the Charmings that she had this run in with their precious Blue back in the day. Would set up some new tension for when they eventually get back to SB.

OK, that’s more than enough random rambling for one post. 😛

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He replies to them because they often make unfair assumptions about his personal beliefs and integrity, and he feels the need to explain and defend himself.

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I just tweeted this to Adam:

I feel like tweeting you a thesis about everything that’s beautiful & complex about SwanFire, past, present & (potentially) future. The love they built, the heartbreak they’ve been through & the power of forgiveness & underestanding. But I know I wouldn’t be telling you anything you don’t already know, because you’ve already shown us complex, layered stories about differnt types of love, how it’s built, how it can be torn apart & how it can be put back together. That hope is one of the core themes of your show & I look forward to seeing you continue telling your story the way you envision it, because so far, your vision has been rather wonderful.

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I saw that tweet and I had to take a deep breath. First, I get annoyed at the collapsing of a complex situation to “he hurt her”. Then I hate the “as a woman” she should know better than to take him back.” Does that mean it is ok for Charming as a man to take back Snow who broke his heart and forgot him? Really, most people were ok with it because gender aside, Snowing both LOVED each other still, and realized that Snow had hurt him only because she was forced into it, and then couldn’t handle the pain so she took a potion to deal with it. Snow had magic, Neal didn’t. 11 years later after waiting for Emma he met a conniving woman who preyed on all his insecurities and fears and he thought he should do the equivalent of a magic potion and try to move on with another.

PREACH!

Honestly, it makes me so angry when people tear apart Neal for having been horrible to Emma, and meanwhile they completely excuse or romanticise things that Hook has done to her. I love Hook, he’s one of my fave characters, but he’s done some douche things to multiple people, including Emma. He left her to rot and die in Rumple’s cell for crying out loud. In a cell in an abandoned land, with no food or hope of escape. But Neal leaving Emma to give her her best chance of getting back to her family, and her ending up in jail in the modern world where she was clothed, fed, and would only be there temporarily before being set free again, oh no, THAT’S unforgivable!

I just…I don’t understand the double standard that some people have when it comes to things like this, and it’s not just the jail cell comparison, I’m just using that as an example here. BOTH of those situations, with BOTH guys, HURT Emma in different ways. You can’t classify everything Neal has done to hurt her as EVIL, and at the same time look at everything Hook has done to hurt her and declare it LOVE. The history and relationships she has with BOTH of them are complex, and when someone tries to just simplify it to one of them having been all bad for her and the other being all good, they are really missing the point and ignoring the layers that make the story so interesting.

If people wanna ship CS, that’s fine, they can ship CS. But when the love of your ship makes you so completely one eyed that you end up actually publicly hating and insulting anyone that might get in the way, that’s just poor form!

I feel like a woman or man is not made stronger by lacking compassion and love. Love is strength, and Emma is strong. IF she forgives Neal, he will have earned that forgiveness by his actions within the story, and they don’t want to spoil what those things are.

THIS! Honestly, if she has the love, compassion, and understanding to forgive her parents for sending her away as a newborn, if she can not completely write off August for how he left her, if she can keep wanting to give Regina chances instead of just shutting her out of Henry’s life whenever she does something dangerous, if she can still feel it worthwhile to appeal to Hook’s compassionate and caring side that she knows is buried in there somewhere even though he’s outwardly selfish and untrustworthy, there is absolutely no reason why she won’t be able to forgive and understand Neal as well as they work through their issues, and she has her questions answered and has a proper understanding of their situation.

Adam is pretty sensitive it seems to accusations about his open mindness and misogyny, and the last thing I want him to think is they have to drop the Neal storyline because the public would never accept Emma going back to him. In fact, I think it’s horrible that people think its ok if Snow treats Charming like dirt but not if the other way around. People should be good to each other and the gender ought to have nothing to do with it. Maybe I will tweet that later.

I feel so bad for Adam when people attack him and call him names. It doesn’t necessarily help when he responds to it, but it’s totally understandable why he does. Right now I’m feeling the urge to spam tweet him a thesis on all the beautiful things I see in SF’s story, so he knows that there are people out there who see it, and get it.

One of my biggest peeves is when people try to make the other one look like a martyr.
“Hook belongs with Emma because Neal did X Y Z”
“Neal belongs with Emma because Hook did A B C”

Agreed, because neither guy has been a freaking saint! And nor should they, or anyone else on the show be saints, because it’s everyone’s flaws and struggles that make for an interesting story.

He made an impossible choice for the betterment of thousands and, yes, to EMMA herself. Is there a lot of forgive? Of course! But in what relationship isn’t there a lot to forgive? Rumple threw Belle out of his castle! Snow took a potion and forgot Charming! David Nolan thought Mary Margaret killed Katheryn! MM slept with Whale! Relationships are not easy. “If true love were easy, everyone would have it.”

THIS! Seriously, people act like Neal is the freaking anti-Christ and because of that there’s no potential for the relationship, but look at the other imperfect relationships they’ve written between imperfect people, and look at how they overcame because of love!

Just because people are the loudest, doesn’t make them the majority. This is what I have kept telling myself:
Over 11 million people watch Once Upon a Time. (Right? #s from last season?)
a few of the SAME people stating their opinion over and over and over on twitter is just a super small fraction of that number. What, 10 people harassing him over and over again? I know that Adam and Eddy see the big picture. They have to. They’ve been doing this long before people had the gall to harass them on twitter (and as Adam confessed tonight, THREATEN his family). They did this before they got harassed. Before the internet made everyone crazy and self-important.
I have to have faith they can keep their head up and tell their story.
*sigh*

This is what I believe. K&H briefly considered changing their story because people had guessed about Nealfire, but they ultimately decided that this was the story they’d planned, and this was the story they were gonna tell. They’ve had this story planned out for YEARS, they know how they want it to play out, and while some things may need to be changed along the way, I think that something a major as the endgame for the hero of their story is something they won’t waver on. So I’m hopeful that whatever happens, it’s not being influenced one way or the other by the vocal minority.

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I am not sure about FGM being ranked higher than Blue, who seemed to lead all the fairies. It is unclear I guess.

Blue is no doubt head honcho fairy, but I reckon once a fairy becomes a FGM, that means Blue can’t just automatically pull rank over her any more. They’re not quite true equals, but they’re as close as anyone gets to being Blue’s equal.

I know quite a few people are thinking that Blue might be the one who kicked Tink out of FTL, but I saw a tumblr post just before that suggested it was Rumple’s doing because Regina couldn’t become his monster if her FGM was still around. Makes sense IMO.

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Phee, that was me you quoted, not KFC.

😆 Oooops, will go back and fix, sorry about that. 😉

I don’t think the BF controls the Godmothers the GM really aren’t fairies notice they don’t have wings like TB and BF does.

Blue doesn’t control FGM, but they are still fairies with wings…

Link to the larger version of the screencap: http://screencapped.net/tv/onceuponatime/displayimage.php?album=19&pid=1268681#top_display_media

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Now that Eric cannot be Hook, I assume there’ll be some who jump off the ship, but I am still up for it being a mix of Andersen’s unrequited love and Disney. After reading about Andersen’s inspiration for the story, I am also totally up for them to make a twist for a LGBT character here, though I prefer it not be Ariel merely for Hookriel sake. If it is Ariel though, then that’s cool too.

Was thinking about that a bit earlier. Looking through Adam’s recent tweets, (he’d been having one of those days on Twitter), he said…

@CatherineDancy @heckl45 there is ZERO cause and effect to what you're saying. Any plans were already in works

— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) September 2, 2013

…which made it sound like they already have an LGBT character storyline actually in mind. Sounds like it’s probably gonna happen this season. Right now they’re working on the first half of the season.

If they made Eric gay, they could do the unrequited love storyline, without making him look like a heartless guy who just didn’t wanna be with Ariel. She could be initially disappointed, considering she’d fallen in love with him, but then accept him for who he is, and they could remain friends, (the prince and the mermaid were close in Anderson’s, even though he never saw her in a romantic light). This could then be reflected in a storyline where Hook discovers she’s a mermaid, and has to go through that same acceptance arc that she went through with Eric in the past.

And maybe Eric ended up in SB and we could see him get his happily ever after once the focus of the show shifts back there. They could tie him to the already existing cast by pairing him up with Archie. Eric didn’t end up with Ariel, but he still ended up with a redhead anyway. 😉

Seriously though, I actually think it could be done in a way that’s a lovely little nod to Anderson’s original inspiration for the story, bringing his original, underlying intent to fruition, taking something he felt he had to hide, the love one man can have for another, and showing that it’s something that doesn’t have to be hidden. If they want a basis for a gay character, this could be a great opportunity. With fairytales, so often the endgames are set in stone, and they’re hetero couples, so messing with that may be something they’re wary of. If so, they need a character with a bit more flexibility, and the source material in this case could offer them something to work with in that regard.

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What I am surprise she isn’t small like the BF was in FL. She is a big Fairy.

Fairies become human sized when they touch down on the ground. They’re only tiny when they’re flying around.

So glad she’s not a jellyfish fairy. I wonder if they got sick of people complaining about it. Although Cinderella’s FGM didn’t wear a jellyfish dress, either:

Perks of earning the rank of FGM: You get to design yourself a new dress instead of the regulation jellyfish ensemble that Blue makes her minions wear.

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Hook: We should ask Tink for help.
Regina:

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