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They made a distinction with Alexandra and Henry. Henry would have been left all alone because the curse would have wiped out everybody not of this world and even though Alexandra was born in SB, she was conceived in FTL and Adam clarified that on twitter and said that was why Henry would have been alone.
So, hypothetically if Tamara is RH’s daughter, she would have been wiped out too and isn’t 100% from our world.
Ah true, I’d forgotten those comments from them. Wouldn’t have really mattered if Tamara had have been wiped out though, because Greg woulda been fine, and all PP needed was 1 person left alive who could bring Henry to him.
I’m not sure how they could have said she’s just human if she were in any way connected to FTL through birth, especially after clarifying the thing with Alexandra (thanks for reminding me of that!).
There are plenty of regular humans in FTL, and RH and Marian were two of them, (humans who used magical objects, but mere mortal humans nonetheless), so any child of theirs would also just be human.
That being said I think for sure something happened to her (similar to what happened to Owen) and that magic has affected her life in some super tragic way, but this does raise the issue of how is she just a person who is part of this organization if she’s related to (and in existence in some form or another) in FTL prior to coming to our world?
For sure, even if her parents weren’t from FTL, magic must have had an impact on her life in some way. They’ve made a point of establishing that SB wasn’t the first time magic had come into our world, so I guess they could cook up any number of stories for magic having affected Tamara’s life.
Coming up with a completely separate storyline complicates and expands things more though. That’s one of the reasons I like the child of RH & MM theory, because it keeps the storyline tight by having Tamara’s history linked to the story we already know. Nealfire’s dad having held Tamara’s dad prisoner would be a delightful little it’s-a-small-world moment. And it’s sort of tragic if you think about how if Rumple had killed RH, maybe Marian and the baby’s lives would have played out differently…maybe Tamara never would have been part of THO…maybe that unborn child that Rumple saw never would have tried to kill his own son and torn apart his hopes of the reunion he’d been craving for centuries. I get a kick out of the potential of the interwoven angst, so I’m totally on board if they do go in that direction.
[adrotate group="5"]He’s been through so much already so I’m worried about him (though I’m sure they’ll rescue him eventually). I hate seeing the word “heart” thrown around though for sure (something big always happens in a heart-titled episode!).
I sorta hope that PP isn’t into taking and crushing hearts as well as ripping shadows, but I wouldn’t really be surprised if he can. He needs to keep his mitts off Henry’s!
As far as Rufio goes, all I can say is if it’s a placeholder name for someone else, they should have chosen a different name, because now there are quite a few fans excited about actual Rufio being on the show, and I imagine they’ll be quite disappointed if it’s not the case.
Well, they lied about “Her” being important, although that was mostly Jane professing that, so I won’t be shocked if they lie about Tamara being someone from the Enchanted Forest…and if she’s Robin Hood’s and Marian’s daughter I consider that from the Enchanted Forest. Marian was pregnant whilst Belle was in the beginnings of her Rumple servitude so she definitely had the baby before Snow’s pregnancy so that baby would be born in the EF and probably a toddler or small child when the curse hit.
The thing with “Her” not being important wasn’t even a lie from Jane, is was the person who interviewed her misinterpreting what she’d said, and stating that misinterpetation in another podcast when Jane wasn’t there to clarify.
As far as the comments from K&H about Tamara not being a FTL character, they get around having lied about that because traditionally, RH and Marian don’t have a child who is a well known, already established character outside of the show. The character would be a new invention.
Also, theories about RH being Tamara’s father involve the pregnant Marian having potentially come to our world and giving birth here. That conveniently, technically, would mean she wasn’t from FTL. In our world, you’re a citizen of whatever county you’re born in. I know of a couple who lives in Kuwait, but they wanted their son to be British, so they temporarily set up camp in London late in the pregnancy, so the kid is a British citizen, even though the family lives in Kuwait, and the kid was conceived when they were in America. At the end of the day, the locality you “belong” to is determined by where you’re born. So even if Tamara was conceived in FTL, if she’s born here, she’s technically from our world, and K&H didn’t lie.
The title certainly can relate to multiple characters, no doubt about that. “Truest” sounds specific to one person though.
GOAT are the truest believers we’ve seen thus far on the side of the badguys. We already know how Greg justifies his beliefs and commitment to the cause, it’s Tamara who is the blind true believer judging on what we’ve seen so far.
Henry is the truest believer we’ve seen thus far on the side of the goodguys. Even when he was the only person in SB who believed, even when Regina tried to get a shrink to talk him out of it, and when Emma kept telling him she didn’t believe it too, Henry still stuck fast to being a true believer.
And Henry is with Tamara, so you’ve got the two main “true believers” stuck with each other at this point in time. That’s what’s making me think they’re the specific ones the title refers to, even though it can really apply to multiple characters in different ways, and we’ll likely see in this ep how each of the other characters believe so strongly in their own views.
PS. Four pages so far trying to dissect a simple episode title. We are nuts. I heart the spoiler forum! LOL 🙂
Yeah, any Tamara flashbacks would be in our world. Present day SB could be as brief as NYC was in “Broken”, just a few moments right at the start to establish that Belle’s put the barrier up. That could actually lead quite nicely into flashbacks of Tamara’s history with THO, considering that’s who Belle’s trying to keep out with the barrier spell.
At some point they have to show how Tamara got involved in that mess, and showing her dealing with Henry, and the realisation that she’s been unwittingly working for PP, would be the perfect time to tell that backstory.
Italics still don’t work, either by using the old style [ i ] and [ /i ] or by clicking the italics button in the reply box so it adds < em > and < /em > around text. Other codes seem to be working, so I dunno why that one wouldn’t be?
Also, I was just posting in a thread and some of the quotes people had posted had the person’s name who had been quoted, so I figured that must have been fixed, but when I posted and quoted someone, it still just quoted the post number instead of putting the person’s name. For reference, it’s this thread: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/episode-title-12/page/4/#post-199223
After reading all of the posts in the thread, I like the idea of the title referring to multiple characters. But, I especially like the idea that it could refer to both Tamara and Henry. Perhaps we’ll get Tamara’s backstory in a flashback and we’ll get to see what Peter Pan wants with Henry’s heart, since he was a true believer in magic and the curse before anyone else would take him seriously.
This is what I’m thinking too. The “truest believer” on this show since day 1 has been Henry, but if they making him the focus of the ep, (which let’s face it, he will be, because GOAT have him, PP wants him, Charmingstiltskins&Co are going to save him, Nealfire wants to get back to him, and if we get any stuff in SB in ep 1, people there will be worried about him too, so even if it’s technically an ensemble ep, it’ll still be pretty Henry centric), they can’t do flashbacks with him, (I’m assuming the story of when he came to SB won’t be something they tackle in ep 1, and that’s the only option for Henry flashbacks).
With the focus essentially being Henry, showing FTL flashbacks for characters aren’t with Henry could be harder to tie in. But GOAT are with Henry, and we still need a backstory on Tamara, so we may see how she became a “true believer” through flashbacks.
I currently have no idea who the “Truest Believer” is, all I know is I almost fell outta my chair with excitement when I saw his tweet. LOL
And now it’s almost 4am here, so I’m gonna go and pretend to try and fall asleep with this question racing through my head.
How young do you think Ariel will be? In the Disney version, she’s only sixteen which makes her one of the youngest princesses. If they do go young then a relationship with Hook would be a big no. If they go older then they will lose Ariel’s innocence and curiosity about humans since she should be old enough to know better.
I think they can age her up to 20ish without losing the innocence and curiosity if she’s been living under the thumb of an overly protective father. 21 is a standard “coming of age” type age, so it would be the perfect age for her to be wanting to rebel and gain her freedom and going to drastic measures like making deals with sea witches.
I actually think it would make her more compelling as a character, because she’d be a young adult striving for her independence and dreams at any cost, as opposed to a rebellious teen making potentially foolish life choices. A 21 year old telling her father that she’s old enough to make her own life choices can be taken more seriously than a 16 year old can be. I love me some “Little Mermaid”, and think that she works just fine as a 16 year old in Disney animation with a sweet, happy ending, but for OUAT I think she could do with a little more oomph and a little more age to fit in with the overall feel of the show.
Characters on this show have to pay for the choices they make. In Anderson’s version, the mermaid paid with her life when things didn’t work out how she’d anticipated. I can see K&H wanting to make Ariel suffer some consequences for her majorly life altering choice, (though I hope she still eventually gets a happy ending). Let’s not forget that in the Onceiverse, magic always comes with a price!
So far all the fairytales that we know have already happened. We don’t have the real story in our world, but somehow some version of the tales seeped into our collective consciousness in this world. I would be very surprised if they went a pre-The Little Mermaid version of Ariel where she’s still only 16 since they’ve not done that with any other up to this point.
Agreed. My headcanon has her as human in the present day, and we’ll see the story of how she got that way in flashback. Like you say, with all the other characters, the story we know has already happened, so it would be odd for them to tackle this one differently.
