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I found it curious that Cyrus falls into glowing orange nothingness, and the inside of the hole in Granny’s floor appears to be glowing orange. So I’m thinking maybe SB is where Cyrus ends up, and therefore, it’s eventually where Alice, Rabbit and Knave (ARK?) will end up too, if they’re searching for him.
So the first scene in the ep is that one in Granny’s from the promo. Cryus pops up. They have a shot of the Wraith to establish timeline. Then we go back to get stuck into Alice and Cyrus’ story, beginning with her in the asylum.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Why were the dark castle curtains open in Lacey in the first few days of Belle’s stay when, in Skin Deep, there was an important scene of Belle wearing her blue dress, opening the curtains, which Rumple had nailed down?
Don’t even go there! 😆 It’s debates about that that led to us having to say “t-word” instead of “timeline” because trying to figure it out was driving us insane to the point where that word became intolerable and made us twitch. 😕
Great vid, Schmacky! That’s a total SwanFire song, excellent choice! 😀
@HeatherC1275 wrote:
Phee-Your entire post just made me smile (and aww out loud, LOL). Thanks for writing out how I feel about things right now and way better than I could have ever said it! I think the SwanFire journey is going to be extremely fascinating, heartbreaking, honest, and beautiful to watch and I cannot wait to see it.
Glad my ramblings made sense. 😆
@KFChimera wrote:
I felt like Emma was already well underway with that healing process this season, but then she suffered two gut punches in a row, losing Neal and Henry in the same day. She has Snowing to help her, but she’s always going to be a bit cynical and guarded. She is vulnerable now, and Hook is sure to notice that.
And he has a similar vulnerability to her, because they’re both grieving the loss of Nealfire right now. I can see that drawing them closer to each other.
I think it is unclear what motivated Hook–it could have been a combination of various things. I feel like the scene shown right before his decision to return is the flashback and the scratch marks, so the largest reason is probably guilt over abandoning Bae. I think Hook was watching very closely when Regina talked to Henry and revealed her plan to sacrifice herself for him. He did also seem affected by Emma’s words in the diner (though they alone didn’t convince him immediately), and it did seem like he addressed himself to Emma when offering his services to find Henry (rather than to all of them generally) and saying in response to her saying he didn’t care about anyone but himself, that he just needed a reminder that he could.
At the end of the scene at CasaCharmings, after listening to Regina, Hook comments, “The things we do for our children,” then it cuts to the flashback where he protected Bae by lying to the Lost Ones. All the flashbacks involved his relationship with Bae. In the Diner, the part of his conversation with Emma that made his thought process start to change, was when she told him about Bae being “dead”. And he looked directly at the marks he’d put there for Bae and scratched out because of Bae, right before he turned the ship around. IMO it was pretty clear that his sole focus in this ep, past and present, was Bae.
As far as who he was directing his offer of services to, Emma was the one leading that group of people on the dock, the one who was standing right in front of him, and is the one who began speaking to him, (plus she’s the only one of them he actually sorta likes as a person), so naturally, she’s the one he primarily spoke to. As soon as Regina spoke, he responded to her as well.
Even though he was looking at Emma when he said he’d needed a reminder, that reminder he was talking about, was Bae. Granted, Emma’s the one who got him thinking about it with her Diner speech about being part of the group instead of being alone, and about Henry losing part of his family, so yes, she played a role in his revelation, but her words wouldn’t have had any impact on him, if not for his past relationship with Bae.
I think Neal being in FTL may teach Neal to appreciate where he’s from more than he currently does. Yes, it is a barren wasteland, and I like the idea that he ends up solving the Ogre Wars problem in some way. Emma does have magic, and I can’t see her ever wanting to live in Tallahassee now with having ties to Henry and Snowing, and of course, even though she doesn’t really like it, to Regina. Emma definitely showed that she understood Henry considers Regina every bit as important a parent as Neal. So I don’t see Emma being comfortable with trying to live somewhere that would separate her family unit. Neal didn’t seem in that much of a hurry to leave SB though, so there’s that at least. FTL isn’t exactly nicer than when he left, so I hope his issues with magic don’t get worse.
If there’s some magical means that’s used to save his life, (Lake Nostos water has been speculated), then that might help to start changing his mind about magic being completely evil. He’ll have to rely on magic to get back to Emma now, which may also work to change his opinion of it. He’ll certainly have to come to acknowledge that magic can be a good thing if he wants to be with Emma, because she’s full of the stuff.
As for the eventual living arrangements for the whole family, I once saw someone somewhere suggest that they all end up back in FTL, with SwanFire living in a castle that they name Tallahassee. 😉
OMG, they’re actually gonna show the rest of the season?! I’d been starting to wonder if they ever would. 😆
ETA that I just checked an online TV Guide and it’s not exactly gonna be in prime time. 9:15pm and they’re playing double eps, (starting with Cricket Game and The Outsider).
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
I don’t consider too many of these questions to be “plot holes” but rather threads to be woven in later (for the most part). They set up a lot of stuff, some of it for short arcs that are answered within a couple of episodes and some that reach further than we ever dreamed and the answer shows up when we don’t expect it.
Agreed!! They’re building a complex story that weaves together many elements, so we can’t expect every introduced element to be fully explained immediately when it’s introduced.
In Child of the Moon, Quinn says that the wolf den “Used to be the grand hall of a castle, until it sunk underground. Now it’s all ours.”
So who’s castle was it and how did it sink underground? That storyline is pretty wrapped up (especially since they killed off so many of the wolves) but that line stuck out to me and I feel like they planned on weaving something else in there.
Back when the ep aired, people looked into fairytales with sunken castles, but I don’t think anyone found a conclusive match for it.
This is one of those instances where it doesn’t bug me in the least that it wasn’t fully explained, but maybe they stuck a sunken castle in there because they have an idea for it if the show runs long enough and they’re able to address it again, which would be fun.
It’s similar reasoning to my reaction from Lady of the Lake – I feel like we should see Lancelot again because they mentioned so many things about his character that just weren’t necessary for that story that could easily be woven in later with flashbacks when they become relevant to show again.
I do hope we see Lancelot again at some point. We only have Cora’s word for it that he’s dead, and she’s hardly trustworthy. Much like Robin Hood, Lancelot is a well known character, so they’re handy guys to have introduced, who they can go back to should the story call for it. If Lancelot’s still alive in FTL, maybe MAP and Nealfire will run into him early next season.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@KFChimera wrote:
I agree with that Demi. Though I had the impression this series only starts, but is not generally taking place, in Storebrooke.
Interesting. I think I had the impression that SB would come in somewhere in the middle when Alice and the White Rabbit and the other guy (can’t remember his character) are world jumping looking for Cyrus…
Hasn’t it been said that the pilot ep begins in SB? The short version of the pilot as it stands right now at least. I’d been thinking that SB would essentially make a cameo appearance in the pilot, and that connection would be elaborated on later.
Also look for the spin-off to feature other lands in a mash-up style similar to Once that may make you question who a past character really was.
Having read this sentence 50 times, I’m leaning towards it meaning we’ll see someone from Wonderland in another world. Or someone we’ve seen in another world appearing in Wonderland.
@Demileto wrote:
@Phee wrote:
The “angry” must have significance, given the italics. My best guess right now…Jefferson, the Mad Hatter.
Whoa, that wouldn’t make me angry AT ALL. In fact, it’d blown my mind, as no one’s expecting Jefferson to appear this early in the show, let alone in the pilot, because of Sebastain’s schedule. 😯
Indeed! I’ll bet if he’s in the pilot, they’ll keep that info on lockdown. The same sentence as “angry” also mentions the Wraith, and someone else’s perspective on it. What happened to the Wraith involved shenanigans with Jefferson’s hat, so I’m sure he’d have an opinion on it that they could show.
