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@RumplesGirl wrote:
There are many theories about this.
1) Regina has been to NL and encountered the Mermaid there
2) Mermaids are in both lands (we know for SURE they are in NL, we don’t know they are in FTL yet)
3) Mermaids travel between worlds. Phee can jump in here and tell you the theory about water as a way between worlds.
Yes, I’ve been wondering for a while now if perhaps beings that live in bodies of water are able to access both sides, so to speak, because we’ve seen that portals through bodies of water connect worlds. Recently I was wondering if maybe that spot at the “bottom of a bottomless ocean” could be a nexus point that generates some sort of magic that allows the portals through the ocean to exists. It’s all just random musings on my part though, not really a solid part of a theory at the moment.
@Demileto wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
1) Regina has been to NL and encountered the Mermaid there
She can’t have been to Neverland, she didn’t even recognize the land when its map appeared on the globe. It’d necessarily have to be the other way around, as in Ariel went to FTL from NL.
This doesn’t rule out her having been to NL IMO. Even if she’s been there, that doesn’t mean she’s seen a full map of the whole land and committed it to memory. When the name of the place was mentioned, she did have a bit of a, “Holy crap,” expression going on, like maybe she knew something about the place.
Regarding Regina’s “mermaid problem” though, I posted a few days ago in another thread, pondering if perhaps she could have actually been referencing the Siren in Lake Nostos. It would have been a loose use of the term “mermaid”, given that we never saw her with a tail, though she was luring men to their deaths in her lake, which I suspect may be a similar M.O. of the NL mermaids that Hook warns about. Anyway, we don’t know how Lake Nostos dried up, but surely there’s some story to it, and I could see Regina wanting to get rid of it if its waters could undo curses she put on people. Also, I could see her calling the Siren a mermaid if they’re two different beasts and Sirens believe themselves superior, so Regina used the term as a smack down.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@MatthewPaul wrote:
I would say Adam & Eddy not knowing when to introduce her yet implies that they don’t necessarily just want to lump Ariel into Neverland just because there happens to be mermaids there. Seeing mermaids will certainly be something that will happen in Neverland, but that doesn’t mean we have to see Ariel among them.
True having mermaids in NL doesn’t mean we’re getting Ariel but if you’re going to do her story, what better time than when you’ve already set up mermaids in the world?
In particular when that setup has involved them being spoken of as creatures to be feared if they catch you in the water. A vital point of The Little Mermaid’s story is that she saves a guy from drowning. That’s what has me sold on Ariel being in NL. It’s not just the fact that there are mermaids there, it’s that the setup of them being dangerous to humans is the ideal setup to show that part of Ariel’s story where she busts the myth.
@KFChimera wrote:
That’s possible for Belle too, but I see her more similar to Charming’s role. Snow is more the focus than Charming, but they try to find stuff for him to do. Same with Belle.
This! And I think she’ll have some important stuff to do in season 3.
[adrotate group="5"]The definition of “plot device” can be tenuous.
Was Lacey there to throw a spanner in the works? Sure she was.
But she also served to influence Rumple’s character in such a way that he reached the point we saw him at in the finale…that heartbreaking moment when he resigned himself to death because he had no one left to truly live for, which made his moments of clarity all the more rewarding.
Lacey also assisted in Regina’s journey, because she was an example of how low she’d sunk, that she was resorting to messing with Rumple like that. It was one of several factors in her hitting rock bottom. And she wouldn’t have been able to have her turning point if she hadn’t have reached rock bottom.
For Belle herself, she’s gonna have memories of being Lacey….memories of being pro-magic…which she has to be if she’s gonna cast the spell that Rumple left with her. Would old school Belle have agreed to cast that spell, knowing how magic can corrupt, and had corrupted Rumple? Maybe not. But her Lacey-founded attraction to Rumple’s magic could now serve her well, not just with this spell, but also as some have been speculating, if they bring the enchanted mirror into the storyline in the future.
That tweet from Adam shattered many a theory.
I’m not really putting any hope any more in thinking that BF is much more than we’ve seen. It could prove interesting if she ends up having a NL and PP connection somehow. It would be great if they give her a compelling backstory and secretive motives. We shall see, I suppose.
Who’s to say what the legalities of marriage and divorce were defined as in FTL.
In the real world, I don’t condone adultery at all, so I do have issues with Milah having run off with Killian. But looking at it from his perspective, he loved Milah, and he’d probably heard an awful lot about Bae. So actually meeting him, something he never thought would happen, would have been an emotional experience for him. This kid was part of the woman Killian had loved, so it’s understandable that he’d have wished for some connection with him, especially considering that Milah was gone.
Obviously it was a joke. 😆 That doesn’t detract from what a lovely gesture it was from Emilie to cheer Colin up about having to leave his band.
You might wanna keep an eye on http://www.onlocationvacations.com (you can follow them on Twitter as well as checking their website) who list many shooting schedules for many shows, including OUAT.
There’s gotta be info out there somewhere about all the locations in Steveston that have been used for filming. Even if they’re not shooting when you’re there, you could still stroll down the main street of SB. I’ve heard there’s an ice creamery in Steveston that has flavours named after the characters, so definitely look that up.
Agreed with RG.
I love hearing that their Ariel wouldn’t be the sweet girl from the Disney version. Give her a happy ending, by all means, but I’d love it if they incorporated darker elements from the Anderson version, compounded by their darker version of NL (assuming that’s where she’ll be). I want a complex Ariel!
And calling her a “fairytale character” is just generic wording, because she’s a character from a fairytale type story. It doesn’t dictate which world she’d be in.
@Demileto wrote:
@Phee wrote:
ETA: Actually, wasn’t another of Hook’s crew listed in a cast list for the finale (or was it the 2nd last ep)?
I think that was in that fake press release for “Second Star to the Right”.
Ah, you might be right!
@Demileto wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
except that the island has some sort of magical property in which if you set foot upon it, you are doomed to stay forever.
I’m still not convinced of that. Hook said that it was impossible to leave Neverland even while not having set foot upon the island in the finale, one’d think he’d believe otherwise if this magical property existed. Moving between realms isn’t something easy to do, I see this as being just a case of the known means of doing that being controlled by Peter Pan.
Wonder if Hook had a spare portal jumping device apart from that one bean? Or did he just figure that no worries, he had all the time in the world(s) and there was bound to be a way to get out of NL though he didn’t know what before he got there. Then he got there and realised that there’s only one person who controls who comes and goes from NL.
@Demileto wrote:
@KFChimera wrote:
I do feel the portal scene came up a bit quick in the storytelling, as Neal’s story also involves more than his sacrifice to let Emma be the savior, but also his guilt about that choice, and his relationship with Tamara.
The portal scene surprised even the most rabid SwanFire shipper; NO ONE was expecting them to declare their love for each other this earlier. That said, both Neal and Emma have shown through simple gestures that even though they’ve been apart for 10 years they’ve never truly forgotten each other, so the portal scene wasn’t that big of a leap.
Part of me was, “OMG I didn’t expect that so soon!” and part of me was, “Well it’s about freaking time!” 😆
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I don’t think THO had anything to do with it, because then they would have known about Henry for a LONG time before they even first got into Storybrooke, and it seemed to me like they came to SB to destroy magic but after that initial goal found Henry and decided that getting him was more important. I
I think there is a difference between THO’s real goal and what GOAT perceive to be the real goal. GOAT were told that their mission was to destroy magic but I see them as foot soldiers, more or less mindlessly following orders. At some point something clued them in to the fact that Henry had greater importance for THO.
Yes, this!
@StorybrookeGirl wrote:
I think that either August, in an attempt to get Emma back on the path of breaking the curse, or Mr. Gold, as part of his “procuring” Henry for Regina, convinced her.
August was already in Phuket before Henry was born, and I’m pretty sure he didn’t set foot on American soil again until he was heading for SB. Mr Gold didn’t have his memories, so wouldn’t have known to track down Emma and her baby. It was Emma’s name that triggered his memories, so he can’t have heard it at any point previously, which means he can’t have known the name of Henry’s bio-mother.
@StorybrookeGirl wrote:
Other possibility: Some outside party we’ve yet to meet (or, yes, maybe the Home Office) has been interested in breaking the curse from the beginning. This person convinced August to go break up Emma and Neal and told August that Neal was Baelfire, convinced Emma to give Henry up for adoption and then connected baby Henry to Gold when Gold was looking for a baby for Regina, and gave Mary Margaret the book and suggested that Henry might need it. I’m calling this my Mastermind theory, and I personally think that the outside party might be the Blue Fairy.
Again, we’ve had it confirmed the Blue didn’t have her memories during the cursed years. I’d had her pegged as the person orchestrating the adoption for ages, but that theory hinged on the assumption that she’d had her memories, and it turns out she didn’t.
As for August having been recruited by THO, I’d say that makes perfect sense. Owen was a boy who spoke about a magical town, and THO got wind of him and recruited him. August likely spoke of the magical land he came from, so THO could have very well recruited him too.
They could have kept tabs on him, and Emma, and Nealfire, and then came a day when someone met August and gave him a note saying, “We know you’re Pinocchio,” and gave him his mission to break up SwanFire. So maybe August fleeing the country was also in part to try and escape THO, who somehow knew who he was, and that freaked him out. But they kept an eye on him for the next 10 years, and when the time was right, THO sent Tamara to Phuket to accidentally-on-purpose bump into him.
So if we assume that THO is this involved, it stands to reason that they’re also the ones who saw to it that Emma’s baby was given up for adoption and brought to SB.
