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@myril wrote:
Seeing how great the cloaks we’ve seen so far worked, be it for the Jolly Roger of for the bean field, they will find a way to find cloaked Storybrooke. Interesting how Charming reacted, like, oh, yes, wait, the town … They would have sailed off without telling anyone if not for Gold asking Belle to stay behind.
Imagine if Rumple hadn’t left Belle behind to let the rest of the town know that they’d left. The Dwarves would have been aimlessly wandering the streets, calling out for the Charmings.
The JR was cloaked by Cora, wasn’t it? So I can buy it being visible now, because if she’s dead, then maybe her spells died with her. As for Blue’s bean field cloak…maybe that’s why Rumple entrusted Belle with his cloaking spell…because even someone who has never done magic before can still cast a cloaking spell better than Blue can. 😛
[adrotate group="5"]@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Dylan turned 14 during season 2 I think but yes, we definitely need to get a lot of his story soonish especially since he’s not supposed to age in NL (although we’ve kinda already had that problem with young Snow and it was fine).
Yeah, I’d expect them to do a bunch of NL flashback stuff early on in the season, before Dylan has one of those growth spurts that teenaged boys are famous for. That may mean that the whole of the NL part of the story is wrapped up reasonably quickly, I guess, if they wanna parallel the NL flashbacks with present day. They’ll probably wanna get done with NL before Jared has a growth spurt too, (he turns 13 at the end of May).
It certainly does look like Granny’s. When Cyrus falls into whatever he falls into, it’s got that same orangey colour that’s in the whatever that’s blowing a hole in Granny’s floor.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
I haven’t read the Alice in Wonderland books. Was Cyrus the genie in them or is he a new, original character?
Off the top of my head, I wanna say that he’s totally original. Don’t think there were any genies in the Alice books.
@KFChimera wrote:
They do look eerily alike, the actress for Grace and Alice. As Alice would say, curioser and curioser.
I don’t think the characters are going to be related though, not given what they have said about the timeline that it is after magic came to SB.
Also, it appears that Cyrus is Alice’s true love, which means she can’t have Jefferson too.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
I was hoping to know Aurora’s story but maybe they aren’t going to do that what a bummer
Her backstory? Now that Sarah’s new show has been picked up, I sort of doubt it. Unless they have her explain her backstory in dialogue in S3 since we’ll obviously be seeing her again next season.
Aurora’s complete backstory may not be necessary if they show her mother’s backstory at some point. I’d imagine both of their stories played out in a similar fashion, so seeing the original Sleeping Beauty, and having it end with Maleficent vowing her revenge when the sleeping curse is broken, may well be sufficient, because we already know that history is gonna repeat with Aurora. I’m assuming that Aurora was just a child when that all happened with her mother, so Sarah wouldn’t be needed in order to tell that story.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
I think overall we won’t see MAP much at all, especially because of scheduling conflicts but at the same time they were definitely shown with Neal so…we have to see them at some point right??
Yes, you’d think that they’ll have to show MAP with Nealfire in at least one ep, even if it’s just them all sitting around a campfire on the beach (was there a campfire in the BTS photos, or am I imagining things?), with Nealfire recovering from his wounds and MAP telling the story of how they brought Phillip back and how hard it is to find a portal out of town these days as demonstrated by Emma and Snow’s attempts, so Nealfire’s stuck there.
@Keb wrote:
But what I mostly got out of the podcast was Rumple just needs hugs.
*joining the free hugs line for Rumple*
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think Peter LET Bae leave because he had to father Henry, Peter has the gift of sight.
Yes.
How Hook left NL…I have NO idea. I’m sure that’ll be a story for next season
I’m thinking PP let Hook go too, because he also had a part to play in the overall scheme of things.
@Keb wrote:
Mayor Belle WILL have beans. Leroy’s gonna introduce her to Anton and she and Anton are going to get along like a house on fire, talking about adventures and stuff. And then they’ll break into Regina’s office and grow the beans from what’s left of the plant. And then the dwarves will want to try to get to FTL to help them find Snow and Charming, and they’ll find Neal. And Mulan will be all, BELLE! and Neal will get to meet Belle for real and THEY’LL get along too, because they both love Rumple even if Neal’s mad at him still, and they both represent the kind of heroism that Rumple admires. And they’ll bond and have epic adventures trying to find Rumple to help him save Henry. Or himself. Either works.
Sorry. Got carried away.
I would love for something like this to happen! Seriously, if they take cuttings from Regina’s stolen bean plant, everyone’s world hopping problems are solved. SBers get beans, Nealfire gets a bean, folks in NL get beans, beans for all!! How’s this for an expansion on this idea…
Belle has beans and wants to go looking for Rumple. In order to be able to find her way back, the cloaking spell has to be weakened or shut off temporarily. The only other world Belle knows is FTL, so she decides to try there first, because she actually has no idea which world the JR went to. So she goes to FTL and runs into Nealfire and is all, “OMG you’re alive! I was looking for your dad!” So then Nealfire goes back to SB with Belle so they can cook up a gameplan to find the others. Due to the cloaking spell being weakened/shut off so that Belle and Nealfire can find their way back, folks from THO converge on SB. So then we have Belle&Nealfire&Co vs THO. They manage to capture someone from THO, and get info out of them that tells them that GOAT, Henry, and the JR all went to NL. So they grab some more beans and head off to NL.
@RumbelleDearie wrote:
@OnceABeliver wrote:
We have to assume that storybrooke is cloaked from everyone, since belle asked rumple how he would find his way back, and he said he didn’t know… I doubt Neal will be able too…
It’s cloaked from them as well? I thought it was cloaked from more outsiders getting in, but not people from FTL. I don’t think the Charmings plan on staying in NL for good.
Rumple: It’s a cloaking spell. It will shield the town, making it impossible for anyone to find.
Belle: Then h-how will you find your way back to me?
Rumple: *awkward silence and sadface*
Rumbelle fans: WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!Charming is the only one who overheard that conversation, so if he hasn’t told the rest of them about it, they have no idea about the cloaking spell and don’t anticipate it complicating their getting home.
@astrawoid wrote:
Okay, I have some ideas but they don’t necessarily go together at least I can’t seem to get them into one cohesive theory. 😉
I can totally empathise with that state of mind right now! 😆
But what if PP is stuck in NL. Maybe his body can’t leave and that’s why he needs Henry. Not necessarily for his shadow but for him as a whole. But PP wants to stay young forever so he can’t just leave NL he has to have the right body to do so. Maybe Henry is the perfect vessel because he is born of true love and comes from a place with magic (FTL parents) but was conceived and born in the Land Without Magic. Therefore he has the ability to carry magic within himself and perhaps even produce magic where there isn’t any (just like Emma?).
I definitely think that PP needs Henry for more than just his shadow, considering Felix told Bae he was gonna get to live because he didn’t match the photo. Henry is certainly a unique being. The position he ended up in, he was the only person in SB who was able to age. If PP is trapped in a young body, but wants to grow up, then it stands to reason that he’d believe that Henry is some special mix of ingredients that’s exactly what he needs.
I don’t think PP needs shadows to power NL. I do think NL is cursed so that people don’t age; however, who came up with the curse, I’m not sure. Maybe the original Dark One or PP himself.
I posted in another thread just before that perhaps the tears of all the sobbing children have a magical quality, which leads me to wonder if perhaps it’s all of those tears that’s what fuels something in NL?
Perhaps PP is the original Dark One (others have had this same idea) or the one that created the first Dark One.
Going along with the idea that everything we’ve seen thus far has been orchestrated by PP to bring Henry to NL, perhaps PP creating The Dark One curse was just another step in his plan?
I think the Shadow is PP’s but it kind of works in reverse to a heart in that you can control your shadow to do things and say things to others. PP himself can’t leave NL so the shadow does all his dirty work for him in other realms. I think the glowy eyes means that the shadow is separated and is controlled by someone just like a ripped out heart glows. Also the shadow seems to be drawn to kids like Henry (sweet, innocent, brave, full of hope and goodness) so he lures them back to NL in hopes that it’s the right one.
The issue I have with the shadow being PP’s is that PP would know exactly what Henry looks like, so his shadow wouldn’t be bringing back kids that are an almost-but-not-quite match, and the kids wouldn’t have to be compared to the pic like Bae was. This is why I’m still thinking that that particular shadow belonged to Felix. Felix’s shadow lost Bae, so Felix had to find Bae, and Felix had to compare Bae to the pic to see if he’d hit the jackpot.
Great connection with the glowing eyes being similar to the glowing hearts!
@Demileto wrote:
Don’t forget he still has to meet the real Belle. 🙂
Ah, yes, of course. They may have a wary first meeting, considering he’s only ever seen her as Lacey, but I’m sure he’ll get along well with Belle once he gets to know the real her.
There’s already a thread discussing this topic…*goes digging through a pile of threads*….here…
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4057@Demileto wrote:
@KFChimera wrote:
Someone had a theory that August was a lost boy and had met Neal in NL at some point during August’s saga, that NL was also Pleasure Island. I’m not entirely sure of that (timeline headaches) but maybe. That could explain how August had the picture of the dagger, and knew about Bae’s name, if he got them from PP. I’m still wondering how much August knew about the curse, and why he felt total separation was necessary between Bae and Emma.
That’d be me. Let’s face it, Pinocchio essentially became a Lost Boy after being taken by Stromboli and up until he meets Gepetto again inside Monstro. Also, Neverland is an island where children live a youthful life not controlled by grown ups, not unlike to the concept of Pleasure Island, and this take of Peter Pan could very well fulfill the role of both Lampwick and the Coachman. The parallels are just too solid for the show not to take this route.
I’ve never put much stock in the theories of August having been a Lost Boy at some point, but now I’m starting to consider it, given all the new stuff we’ve seen at the end of the season.
It would fit in with the theory of PP being the true, overall puppetmaster who had foreseen everything that would lead Henry to him. Pinocchio/August did play a significant role in the story, so he may have been a vital chess piece for PP, so perhaps he brought him to NL and gave him the picture of the dagger and told him to keep it on him at all times, and the day would come when he’d know what it meant.
August told Rumple in The Return that “a little fairy” told him about the dagger. Soooo, taking all of this into consideration…Tink working as an agent for PP, gave the dagger drawing to Pinocchio so he could fulfill his role in the grand scheme that would eventually bring Henry to NL?
@KFChimera wrote:
Pixie Dust might be the key–but what is that stuff in NL? The original PP fairies are created from a baby’s first laugh, but this is a darker neverland. Are they created from children’s tears or something?
Oh, morbid, I like it! They have shown us that tears can be magical through Regina and Snow. I’d been thinking that Rumple probably got that Regina tear back in her more portable days. If Rumple had been in NL as a kid, and discovered something about the magical properties of tears – because that’s why Pan keeps all the kids and makes them cry, to collect their tears for a magical purpose – then that would explain why Rumple may want a “just in case” Regina tear in his collection of magical ingredients.
@DarkOne’s#1fan wrote:
But Peter Pan seemed to be pretty well established in Neverland by the Time Hook arrived which was seemed pretty early on in Rumple’s Dark One career. So ❓
Yes, this is why I think that Pan will have the upper hand in whatever relationship he has with Rumple. Pan’s older and more powerful than Rumple IMO.
@Demileto wrote:
@Gypsy wrote:
I didn’t get the impression that they wanted to kill Henry, that’s why I agree that Peter might want to find out why this particluar boy was so important to The Dark One.
Well, Felix hinted at that when he said to Bae that he’ll get to live when he found out he wasn’t his future son.
Yep, “It’s your lucky day, boy, you get to live.”
Yeah, I’d vote June too, if possible. I expect we may start getting casting call spoilers around the end of June/early July, and those of us who are into spoilers go rabid over casting calls, so it’d be a bummer to not have the forum up around that time. And as others have said, there may well be Comic-Con stuff to discuss around mid-July.
@KFChimera wrote:
Hm..I was thinking that one aspect they may leave out was Tiger Lilly and her tribe–what if instead of that, the mermaids are the original inhabitants of Neverland. So many ideas to play with there from the title–there’s a thread on the forums on how one must “never” land or you can’t escape, how it is a land where there’s never time, but maybe there’s a story of how there was never land there in this world until PP and his shadow minion/followers showed up. So maybe the mermaids aren’t the evil ones at all, just displaced and looking to regain their home.
Oh I like this! Lots! If Pan and his minions screwed up the world that the mermaids lived in, I could see why they’d wanna snatch up any of the enemy that happened to end up within their grasp.
Actually, to twist your idea around a bit, maybe it was Tiger Lily’s people who were the original NL inhabitants, and the mermaids got along with them just fine, but then Pan came along and wiped them all out, so now the mermaids are bent on revenge? Maybe there’s still a small group of refugees of Tiger Lily’s people hiding out somewhere in NL, and once Pan is overthrown, they’ll be able to come out of hiding and live freely again?
