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@Keb wrote:
And we’ve now seen Emma (back in Season 1 when she decided to resort to anything to defeat Regina and win), Snow, Regina, and Rumple, as well as a few side characters, all give up on trying to be good. Wonder if Charming ever will…or, depressingly, Henry?
I’d be surprised if at some point during the show’s run, we don’t see Henry toying with the dark side to some extent. Bring on the angsty teenage years. 😈
[adrotate group="5"]@tiara_rose wrote:
Phee your timeline isn’t working, because Snow has to be pregnant first, therefore Cindarellas Storyline is too early.
Didn’t mention it in my timeline list, but I’m assuming that Snow got pregnant just before Rumple met Cinderella, which would make her about 4 weeks pregnant by the time of Cinderella’s wedding, (like Adam tweeted she was). So everything actually on my list played out in the 8 – 9 months before the curse, which adds up to Snow delivering Emma as a full term baby on Curse Day. Cinderella has to have gotten pregnant not long after Snow did, because Emma was born on Curse Day, and Ella’s baby was born not long after time started moving in SB, so she was around 8 months pregnant on Curse Day.
But this what you said about the curtains is true. They should really be closed. I think they did it to show us which time of the year it is. It looks like it is summer or autumn. In this time of the year it is normal to have the curtains open. When it is winter Rumple shut them that no cold come in.
The impression I got from his curtains being closed was that they’d always been that way so that no light could get in, (he is the Dark One), and more importantly, so that no one could spy through his windows, (he had the mirror covered also to prevent spying from Regina). His curtains weren’t just drawn closed, they were nailed closed, (Belle joking asked if they were and he seriously answered that yes, they were), which I found to be symbolic, as opposed to practical.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Also, Adam never responded to my tweet sadly. It’s up to us!
If I ever happen to be online when he offers to answer questions, I’m totally asking him too.
They could never have the HP universe on the show, but one of the doors in the hat appeared to be bricked up, which could have potentially been a shoutout to Platform 9 3/4.
@Hookian wrote:
It was just a very clear deliberate set up. That Neal/Emma scene could have gone at any moment in the episode yet it was deliberately placed at the very end of the episode, which in and of itself was a lead in to the long awaited return of Hook. Which basically showed what Neal was saying.
I disagree that that scene could have gone anywhere in the ep.
It had to come after Emma had seen the beans, because before that, she wasn’t aware that both of her parents now wanted to leave, and were actively working towards that goal.
It had to happen after the scene with Regina, because that scene showed Emma reading her story and seriously considering whether or not she wanted to go back and take Henry with her, potentially separating him from Regina for good.
Only after that could we have the scene where Emma asks Neal what he thinks about going back. It simply wouldn’t have made sense for her to ask him that without the previous scenes to set it up and show us what’s going on in her head.
The episode was constructed to show that Henry had been off spending the whole day bonding with his dad, which was necessary, because the fact that father and son are now getting to know each other is another factor that Emma is having to consider right now.
So they had that one scene together at the end, after all that other stuff had happened to lead into it, where she brought up with him the things she’d been thinking about all day. When Neal was obviously not interested at all in going back, the topic of conversation changed to August, (and being that I don’t like what happened to August, I liked that they acknowledged that it’s sorta messed up that he’s a kid now), which naturally progressed to Emma wondering what August had been saying, which naturally progressed to Neal’s line about Emma always finding what she’s looking for, showing that he has confidence in her at a time when she really needed to hear that from someone, because she’s totally confused.
I’d been expecting Hook to be in the final scene ever since Tamara mentioned going to collect a package that was just outside town. They set that up earlier with the intention of going back to it for the big, dramatic ending with Hook’s return.
It was like in the episode when Regina basically told Rumple that if Bae can’t save him than there is nothing that can save his humanity, we then flash to a scene of Belle. This is ALL intentional editing.
I’m not convinced that Belle will be the one who can save his humanity. I think that may well end up being Henry’s doing. It cut to Belle because it was a Rumbelle ep, and everyone expected her to be the one to save him, so of course that was the natural progression of the episode at that point. But that was before we met Lacey and things got complicated.
I’m kind of thrown back by the fact that you judged me just because I may ship a couple. I also have taken loads of film editing classes and have been properly trained in this field so that’s more than just my so called “shipping preferences”.
I’m kind of thrown back that you think I was “judging” you. We all perceive situations in the show differently, coloured by our own personal viewpoints, (and I said as much in my previous post when I said it was good writing because it gave both shipper camps something to read into and latch onto).
For the record, I am actually expecting them to hook up CaptainSwan, and I’m interested to see what they do with the pairing, because I think they’re kinda hot together and have great chemistry. I think SwanFire is endgame, but that doesn’t mean I’m anti CaptainSwan in the mean time, and I certainly don’t “judge” anyone based on who they do or don’t ship.
@myril wrote:
Interesting eventually for discussing order / timeline of events, although no the least helpful: If you compare pictures of the room in the castle, there are a few changes. About where the sofa stands, on which Belle sits reading a book when Rumple discovers that Hood is gone, we can see in “Skin Deep” the spinning wheel. The spinning wheel stands here in “Lacey” close to the exit to the entry hall, on the other side of the room, near the covered mirror. The wand is on display next to the sword, the sword we can see as well in “Deep Skin”, but to its right there you see the wooden puppets (Geppetto’s parents). Looks like Rumple liked to do some redecoration every other day 😉 (think in this case they did mess up and produced a classical continue error, like they already did with Neal’s apartment IMO)
The biggest difference in that room, which is actually a significant glitch by the CGI department, is that in Lacey the curtains are open. In Skin Deep there’s a big deal made about how he’s had the curtains nailed shut, and it’s implied they’ve been that way for some time, until she yanks them open. She does that when she’s wearing the blue dress, which she doesn’t have yet in Lacey.
If the same people who buggered that background up, also randomly decided how many scratch marks to put on the wall, then we shouldn’t put much stock in how many scratch marks there are. If she was actually only there for a couple of months, then we could have…
Rumple kills the fairy godmother and takes her wand
Cinderella meets and marries Thomas and gets pregnant
Belle goes to live with Rumple
Robin steals the wand
Belle leaves Rumple and ends up with Regina
Rumple is imprisoned
Curse
…and it would all fit in the space of about 8 months, which it would have to if Snow was 4 weeks along at Cinderella’s wedding.@Surayya wrote:
I just added Belle’s tally marks up & it comes to 251, so by my working out on those numbers, that’s approx 8&1/2-9mths- where did 2-3yrs come from???
The numbers Daniel put on the screencap indicate how many groups of tally marks are on each section of the wall. One group of tally marks = 5 strokes = 5 days. So add up all the numbers, then multiply by 5 to get the total number of strokes on the walls.
48 + 25 + 27 + 32 + 38 + 33 + 34 + 16 + 3 + 5 = 261 groups of tally marks.
261 x 5 = 1305 tally strokes (days).
1305 / 365 (days in a year) = 3.58 years.Wonder if Moe will play a role in Belle’s rehab at all? Part of why Rumple wants to be a good man is for his son. Lacey appreciating that could inspire some genuine, Belle-esque emotions from her. Contact with her own father may give her the kick she needs to feel that. Perhaps?
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
He could perform a striptease to her favorite Van Halen song. She needs some Panama! Plus, I really loved The Full Monty.
I will never watch The Full Monty the same way ever again!! 😆
@RumbelleDearie wrote:
Rumple beat Keith up outside the Rabbit Hole (just re-watched the episode lol).
Ah, so he did. Just checked, and you can see The Rabbit Hole sign behind Keith when he goes to apologise. I’m now wondering if perhaps these pics were just a shot of Rumple and Lacey cheerily walking away after the beating? If so, then I’d say it’s a good thing they cut it, because showing them actually being jovial about what had happened to Keith could be pushing it a bit too far. As it stands with what we saw in the ep, Rumple was driven by rage, and a desperate desire to appeal to Lacey in some way, but it wasn’t actually something he felt good about doing. If they showed him smiling and being proud of his efforts after the fact, that changes the whole mood of it, and makes him look worse.
@tiara_rose wrote:
Yeah, pretty sure of that. Maybe that is Rumple sort of saying to Snow: I hope it will bring your heart back than it did mine. The bow shoot through his heart and also trough Snows (hug of Belle, kiss of David) But who created that bow? Is it in the end the bow of Cupido? Because it is like that the bow is very good in finding True loves couple (Robin Hood/Marian Rumbelle, Snowing). ❓
Back when Snow used it to shoot Charming, I figured it may well be Cupid’s bow and arrow, because it always finds its target, and it brought back their love.
FWIW, Robin’s bow was strung with gold, and the arrows appeared to be gold, and Cupid shot golden arrows, (though not exclusively):
Cupid carries two kinds of arrows, one with a sharp golden point, and the other with a blunt tip of lead. A person wounded by the golden arrow is filled with uncontrollable desire, but the one struck by the lead feels aversion and desires only to flee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupid
Maybe Cupid’s bow and arrows somehow played into Marian falling for Robin and leaving the Sheriff? There’s gotta be some story as to how Robin got that thing and why he needed it, because it’s awfully fancy for some guy who lives rough in the woods.
