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There was a bit of a discussion in the Initial Reactions thread for The Outsider about the license plate on his car, and I just remembered this thread was here, and the info fits perfectly. Hopefully the other posters don’t mind me copying and pasting their thoughts in here. It was some cool stuff that shouldn’t get buried in the other thread, and I didn’t wanna take credit for other people’s input, so…
@Phee wrote:
@Rbmom wrote:
@Princess wrote:
Ok…have to rethink my logic here and bet 2kfl 138 is a reference to Peter Pan…
I agree. One interpretation of 2KFL 138 as a vanity plate is “took flight”
Good thinking! There have also been theories that he could be the Wizard of Oz, who is another character who “took flight”. I’m more inclined to the Peter theory though, (even though part of me would still love Bae to be Peter).
@Phee wrote:
@TimeSpacer wrote:
After reading this, my first thought was, “It’s a shame that last digit is an 8 because the MGM movie The Wizard of Oz was released in 1939.” Then I remembered (and confirmed on Wikipedia) that MGM bought the rights to the story and began production in January of 1938 – “Took flight in 1-’38” : 2KFL 138
😮 Nice detective work there! I’m now officially seriously considering the Wizard theory for him. He doesn’t really strike me as being old enough, but I guess we don’t know how time works in Oz yet and/or if/when the Wizard came back to our world.
Edited to add that I was just poking around on wikipedia to see if there was a Pennsylvania connection to Wizard of Oz somehow, considering that’s the state that was on the plate. L Frank Baum, author of Wizard of Oz, his father’s name was Benjamin:
Benjamin Baum was a wealthy German American businessman, originally a barrel maker, who had made his fortune in the oil fields of Pennsylvania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Frank_Baum#Baum.27s_childhood_and_early_life
So unless and until someone can twist that license plate to relate to something else, I’m putting my money on Ethan’s character being someone Oz related, if not the Wizard himself.
[adrotate group="5"]Having watched the scene from The Outsider with Hook and Belle on the boat a few times now, every time I hear…
Belle – He needs that shawl to find his son.
Hook – And what makes you think his son wants to be found? I’m doing that boy a favour.…I can’t help but wonder if he’s speaking with actual knowledge of the boy’s mind. Obviously, I’m viewing it with a certain bias because I’m a fan of this Bae/Pan theory, and perhaps he’s just assuming that no one would want anything to do with Rumple, but there’s just something in the way he says it as though it’s something he sure of, as though maybe he’s familiar with “that boy”.
@Ziera117 wrote:
The way she reacted to milah was different than I think we all expected…she was able to let it go quite easy. Idk about you, but that surprised me. Rumpel is lucky she is so understanding.
This was one little thing that just didn’t sit quite right with me. Absolutely LOVED everything else about that scene, Belle and Hook were both brilliant in it, the tension was perfection. But when you’re told that your boyfriend ripped out his wife’s heart and killed her…that should give you pause…for more than two seconds. I love that she can believe in the good in Rumple, he needs that if he’s got any hope of becoming a better person, but that was a major revelation, and I think they should have addressed her thought process over it a bit more. Even if, in the later scene in the car, when Rumple was all, “after everything I’ve done,” if they’d had him add, “even killing my wife,” so they could have allowed another moment to show her considering it, instead of just glossing over it as though it was a deed no worse than anything else he’s done.
Other than that, I really enjoyed what they did with Belle’s story, and I like that it showed a different type of heroism by having her use knowledge and compassion, instead of kicking butt with a sword, to be victorious.
What a scene! Good on Regina for standing up to mummy dearest like that and not buying her crap.
@magic bean wrote:
“Emma, Henry and the two idiots” haha 😀
Loved that bit! 😆
Also, does Regina have a sparkly, faux apple tree inside her house? That thing looked cool.
@TimeSpacer wrote:
@Phee wrote:
@Rbmom wrote:
I agree. One interpretation of 2KFL 138 as a vanity plate is “took flight”
Good thinking! There have also been theories that he could be the Wizard of Oz, who is another character who “took flight”. I’m more inclined to the Peter theory though, (even though part of me would still love Bae to be Peter).
After reading this, my first thought was, “It’s a shame that last digit is an 8 because the MGM movie The Wizard of Oz was released in 1939.” Then I remembered (and confirmed on Wikipedia) that MGM bought the rights to the story and began production in January of 1938 – “Took flight in 1-’38” : 2KFL 138
😮 Nice detective work there! I’m now officially seriously considering the Wizard theory for him. He doesn’t really strike me as being old enough, but I guess we don’t know how time works in Oz yet and/or if/when the Wizard came back to our world.
Edited to add that I was just poking around on wikipedia to see if there was a Pennsylvania connection to Wizard of Oz somehow, considering that’s the state that was on the plate. Frank L. Baum, author of Wizard of Oz, his father’s name was Benjamin:
Benjamin Baum was a wealthy German American businessman, originally a barrel maker, who had made his fortune in the oil fields of Pennsylvania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Frank_Baum#Baum.27s_childhood_and_early_life
@Moonae wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Kathryn served her purpose, though it would have been nice to have seen her and Frederick meet up again in SB. If memory serves, there was a spoiler at some point that his SB counterpart was gonna be in an ep, I’m wanting to say he was the school’s gym teacher? But I guess it ended up on the cutting room floor, which is a shame because it would have wrapped her storyline up properly.
He did appear in the same episode that she went missing in, for like 3 seconds…
Maybe that’s the ep I’m thinking of then. I seem to recall an official ep synopsis, where they list all the guest stars, and it had the actor listed as playing Jim (the gym teacher…what’s in a name), but couldn’t remember off the top of my head actually seeing him in an ep.
@EIreland wrote:
Unless she totally forgot the state she left him in when she was trying to save Henry and ended up breaking the curse (which, rightfully so, a whole metric crap-tonne of stuff happened that day, and then she spent some time in another world).
I miss August!
Yeah, I can give her a pass up until this point for not having dedicated time to finding him, because she’s kinda been preoccupied, but the issue will hopefully be addressed soon. If she’s gonna run into Neal at some point, then the topic of August will surely have to come up in conversation.
Emma: You sold me out and I went to jail!
Neal: It wasn’t my fault!
Emma: O rly, whose was it then?
Neal: August made me do it.
Emma: *jaw hits the floor* I need to find that bastard.PS. “metric ****tonne” has always been one of my fave phrases.
@EvilQueen wrote:
I reckon his heart was cursed with Cora’s help or something like that so that Rumple would die if he tried to do anything with that? Or even not by Cora by but someone else
I don’t think he’d have thought his heart needed to be cursed, because as far as he was concerned, it was already wrecked beyond hope.
– remember the scene when he walks down the bean stalk and argues with Cora, then finally challenges her to kill him? He’s not suicidal but he’s not afraid of dying. Or of what might happen if anyone does try to kill him.
My impression of Hook goading her in that scene was that he knew she wouldn’t kill him, because she still needed him.
After listing to the official podcast for The Outsider, I’ve got a new little crackpot theory, (which I’m not entirely committed to just yet, but will throw it out there anyway) that perhaps Cora’s heart is in Hook. K&H were asked in the podcast if it’d be revealed where Cora’s heart is hidden, and they said “absolutely, this season.” From what we’ve seen, she didn’t have many possessions on her, but she had Hook, even though, frankly, she probably could have figured out getting to SB solo.
The main problem with that idea would be that I also think Hook has to still have his own heart, otherwise he wouldn’t still feel such depth of passion for Milah. Would it be too far fetched for him to have two hearts in there? And his fearlessness with Cora was because he knew she wouldn’t risk ripping out and squishing the wrong heart by accident. Perhaps? Maybe this is ultimately how Cora will be defeated, by someone removing her heart from Hook’s chest and crushing it? Only two people who can pull out hearts are Regina and Rumple, and I doubt Hook would want either of them fishing around in his chest. It’d be a good way for Regina to prove her worth though, if she rids the town of Cora by doing that. (I swear, one little comment from K&H and my imagination goes into overdrive. Talk about a lost cause. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread topic. 😛 )
I’ve also entertained the idea that his heart is locked up in a box somewhere, Davy Jones style, (because I can’t believe they’d give a man of the sea a mundane name like Jones unless he was somehow tied to Davy Jones), but having seen how he’s still holding onto Milah in The Outsider, I think boyfriend has to still have his heart beating in his chest, because he’s in such stark contrast to how poor, heartless Graham was.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
What if, instead of being suicidal, Hook jumped in front of the car, because he figured he had a better chance of surviving the oncoming collision than Mr. Gold’s magical fireball?
Hook had an expression of pure glee when Rumple had that fireball. Seriously, the guy started grinning from ear to ear like he couldn’t wait for it. I don’t think it’s a just a case of him having a deathwish, I think it’s specifically that Rumple has to be the one to kill him. When Hook dies, he’s going to go and be with Milah for eternity. It’s the final insult in his revenge against Rumple that he will be the one that sends Hook to be with her forever.
Rumple didn’t complete the job on the boat, despite Hook’s taunting, so he had to go and taunt him some more. If he was gonna get Rumple to complete the deed, he couldn’t have Belle yapping in his ear, begging him to stop. So Hook eliminated Belle from the equation, (though as others have noted, he didn’t actually kill her, even though he easily could have), and in doing so, gave Rumple that little extra push to finish him off. It was a great plan really, until that car came along and messed it up.
I wonder if the car crash was orchestrated by Cora? Maybe she realised what Hook was up to, and didn’t want him dead, (which leads back my crackpot theory of her heart being in him), so she used the car (which was already conveniently approaching) to intervene?
@Maiqu20 wrote:
You can’t say Hook is evil and then praise Rumple just like you can’t praise Hook and then go against Rumple..
They have both done evil things but they are both broken…
Indeed. Which makes the scenes with them together so powerful IMO. My heart breaks for them both.
@AntBee wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Claude! We hardly knew ye, but congrats on getting some back story. 😉
Ha, how could I forget Claude. That was another thing that I loved.
They coulda made the guy in this ep some totally unrelated random, so I got a real kick outta the fact it was actually poor, doomed Claude.
Well I’m sure he’ll be back on, but it just seems like this show can really drop the ball. Sometimes they can get it just perfect like the ending of last night’s episode or breaking the curse the first season, but then other times, they just let important things go for several episodes and then just have one of the characters address it verbally to give closure to fans and that just frustrates me to no end.
True, stuff like you mentioned can be frustrating and unsatisfying. 😕 I’m keeping the faith that they’ll wrap up August’s role in the story properly though, because it really does seem unavoidable to involve him again if they want to address things like exactly how Emma ended up in jail and why Neal left her. Hopefully my faith won’t be unwarranted in this case.
However, again, I think it would have been better if they waited before Belle rescued Archie so soon after he was kidnapped, so we got to see Cora and Hook spying on the town, and see them become overconfident that they had everyone fooled. Then, Belle could rescue Archie.
It was sorta anti-climactic to only see him be interrogated for about 5 seconds before getting away. And yes, I’d really expected them to be lying low and sussing the town out for longer. I wonder if Cora’s aware of all of Hook’s hasty antics? Will she be unimpressed when she discovers that their cover has already been blown?
@Phee wrote:
Can’t wait to see how Rumbelle progresses (or not) now. Surely they’ll get it together eventually, and he’ll figure out how to get her memories back, but in the meantime it’ll be interesting to see how she reacts to him. I mean, if she’s gotta ask people around her who the strange man is, it’s not like they’re gonna paint a pretty picture for her.
Yes, while it won’t be easy for either party, this actually might be Rumple’s best chance to actually work on bettering himself if he really is sincere in doing so. Old Belle might have been able to forgive Rumple slipping up, but current Belle probably won’t be so forgiving to him.
Exactly, they’ve gotta start from scratch and this is a major turning point for him. Even if everyone badmouths him to her, he still has the opportunity to prove himself either for better or worse. No pressure Rumple, but don’t bugger it up!
@bfilipe wrote:
Who is Ethan that you say crossed the town line in the car? :/
Ethan Embry is the actor who was driving the car at the end of the ep and is in the promo for next week. Dunno that it was ever officially confirmed by an official source, but we’re all pretty confident that he’s the one who got the gig for the character that was named Barrett in this casting call from a little while ago: http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/10/once-upon-time-episode-211-major.html
Kathryn served her purpose, though it would have been nice to have seen her and Frederick meet up again in SB. If memory serves, there was a spoiler at some point that his SB counterpart was gonna be in an ep, I’m wanting to say he was the school’s gym teacher? But I guess it ended up on the cutting room floor, which is a shame because it would have wrapped her storyline up properly.
Cinderella pretty much served her purpose too, so I don’t necessarily expect that we’ll see her again.
They showed that Sidney was locked up in a cell under the hospital. I guess he’s still down there unless and until the actor is free to make another cameo appearance and they have a use for him on the show again, which may or may not happen.
As for August, I expect (hope) that he’ll be back when Neal is back. He’d freaking better be, because I need a proper Pinocchio/Gepetto reunion. It’d be strange if they don’t bring him back at all once Neal is around, given that they’ve been in contact, and that he was significantly involved with Neal and Emma’s history. They probably couldn’t have easily connected him to the other stuff that’s been going on so far in SB this season, so I’m not surprised we haven’t seen him again there yet. Might have been nice if they’d had the wooden man hiding behind a tree at Archie’s funeral though.
