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That’s pretty much what I think too, slurpeez. Pinocchio would have been the perfect candidate for those tasks.
[adrotate group="5"]@Pandora’s Imp wrote:
I must be going nuts
the second symbol one from the left on the top shelf looks like a darth vader helmetLOL It does a bit! Actually it’s Borromean rings (and no I didn’t know that fancy word off the top of my head, thank you google and wikipedia).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borromean_rings
The name “Borromean rings” comes from their use in the coat of arms of the aristocratic Borromeo family in Italy. The link itself is much older and has appeared in Gandhara (Afghan) Buddhist art from around the 2nd century[citation needed], and in the form of the valknut on Norse image stones dating back to the 7th century.The Borromean rings have been used in different contexts to indicate strength in unity, e.g., in religion or art. In particular, some have used the design to symbolize the Trinity. The psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan famously found inspiration in the Borromean rings as a model for his topology of human subjectivity, with each ring representing a fundamental Lacanian component of reality (the “real”, the “imaginary”, and the “symbolic”).
The one before the skull and crossbones looks like a snake with its tail in its mouth. Which leads me to the next fancy word I had to google:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
The Ouroboros represents the perpetual cyclic renewal of life and infinity, the concept of eternity and the eternal return, and represents the cycle of life, death and rebirth, leading to immortality, as in the phoenix.It can also represent the idea of primordial unity related to something existing in or persisting before any beginning with such force or qualities it cannot be extinguished. The ouroboros has been important in religious and mythological symbolism, but has also been frequently used in alchemical illustrations, where it symbolizes the circular nature of the alchemist’s opus. It is also often associated with Gnosticism, and Hermeticism.
Carl Jung interpreted the Ouroboros as having an archetypal significance to the human psyche. The Jungian psychologist Erich Neumann writes of it as a representation of the pre-ego “dawn state”, depicting the undifferentiated infancy experience of both mankind and the individual child.
Also, the triangle with the point facing upwards is the symbol for fire. That’s on the label with the moon, and also appears to be on the one at the right end of the top shelf, though I can’t make out what that squiggle above it is meant to be.
Another meaning for triangles (which is actually quite fitting in this instance):
Triangle: In Ancient Egypt the Triangle was seen as a symbol of intelligence and indicated the capacity for love. The Buddhists utilze this geometric pattern in the Sri Yantra mandala as a tool to invoke the energy of love. The triangle also deals with the love represented in the mother, father, child union as well as the holy trinity. Additionally, this symbol has long been recognized as a sign of balance and creativity.
Source: http://www.tarotteachings.com/symbol-meanings-of-tarot-s-z.htmlThat same site says this about clouds, (which the first one on the upper shelf seems to be):
Clouds hold the symbol meaning of revelation. Consider out of the mists of our deepest thoughts suddenly an epiphany comes, a bright idea comes out from nowhere – this is the basic cloud symbol meaning. Depending on the card, clouds can also symbolize confusion or clouded judgment. Primarily, clouds represent higher thought and messages from the divine.@rumplegoldfan wrote:
Maybe the dwarves can double as munchkins.
Aaannnnd now I have a mental image of Grumpy representing the Lollipop Guild. 😆
@Sam993 wrote:
David is an underdog. He’s trying his best, but it kinda blows up in his face. And come on, guys, he doesn’t know what to do with himself. He’s lost and confused. Mary Margaret is there so he can lead him to the right path. In ways, she’s challenging him to be a better person because after 28 years in a coma and lost without a wife and a kid, the dude’s mess up. And he had a death experience too, so that may be affecting his judgement in Storybrooke. I feel more sorry than anger towards him.
I’m not angry with him. A tad frustrated by him for sure, but I can understand why he’s messed up, and it’s totally not his fault.
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
But the best part is that when he does insert his foot into his mouth his does it with those adorable puppy dog eyes and/or the single tear falling every so slowly down his cheek . . .while the breeze blows in one ear and right out the other ’cause there’s not a whole lot of wind resistance going on in between.
Love this description! 😆
@AngieBelle wrote:
I’m not fond of the Oz theory. I don’t think it would be very good storytelling to have August be a character from a story that we haven’t even touched on yet…..there’s no logic to that- it’s too random. If we see Oz characters later in the series, they deserve their own introduction.
This! I do hope they take us to Oz at some point, it just doesn’t make sense to me that they could properly introduce a character from there this late in the season and do it justice. With everything else they’ve got going on in the last 4 eps, they simply don’t have time for a detour to Oz. And if they were going to introduce a character as iconic as the Wizard of Oz, said character deserves a PROPER introduction, not just, “Surprise, he’s the Wizard of Oz, but you don’t actually get to see what our version of Oz looks like, what his life there was like, or how he got to our world until next season.”
@Surayya wrote:
Also we mostly just see the doors which like 99% of household doors (my own wardrobe included) are much lower than the ceiling or internal height. The images we see looking through the wardrobe show the internal space as being much more hollowed out than just from the door down & last but not least – its TV, budget is budget, if you can use a smaller scale model because its not a major feature in many scenes, you do – just because it doesnt look entirely large enough doesnt mean it isnt when you take into consideration we’ve been told SW is/;was going to go through
Fair point I suppose. I still say it didn’t look wide enough or deep enough to take a heavily pregnant woman though. 😛
@Surayya wrote:
BF “The tree is enchanted, if fashioned into a vessel it can ward off any curse” ……. Now the term vessel used in this context = 1. A hollow utensil, such as a cup, vase, or pitcher, used as a container, especially for liquids. Or in this case a wardrobe.
Just because we saw what was left of the tree made into a wardrobe in this instance, that doesn’t mean it was the ONLY type of vessel that could have been made from the tree, which would maintain the enchantment. Pinocchio’s puppet body was a vessel for his human spirit. If he was made from the tree, it still fits with the statement she made.
@Surayya wrote:
BF “This will work, we ALL must have faith. There is however a catch, the enchantment is indeed powerful, but all power has its limits & this tree can PROTECT only one” Now she clearly said point blank here 1, Not 2, 1 (so if they send another through via that same tree & they are PROTECTED from the curse ie have memories in tack & happiness in their lives, then I’ll be really annoyed as that is a massive discrepancy in the story arc & if it’s handled like that its just poor writing, which I highly doubt is likely).
What was left of the tree could only ward off the curse for one person. As I said previously, if Pinocchio was made from the tree, he was ALREADY protected. To add to that thought, if he WAS protected from the curse, what would have happened to him if he’d stayed in FTL? When everyone else got swept away and the land was destroyed, would the poor kid have been left there alone? All the more reason for Blue Fairy to send him away with Emma.
@Surayya wrote:
No she didnt say it transports the person in it- that is just a given (at least it is for me & everyone Ive spoken to about it)
It’s a fair assumption to make based on what we saw happen, which is why it’s what everyone, (including myself up until yesterday) has assumed and accepted as fact. But if you take her words exactly as spoken, without assuming anything beyond that, she clearly didn’t specify that the protection she spoke of involved transportation to another world.
@Surayya wrote:
Yeah sorry but if we go with the good guys are just lying, then we have to consider everything we’ve heard out of every ‘good’ guy’s mouth is all just lies- so nope, Im not buying that, we’ve seen Zero evidence for it nor anything that could even be termed a white lie from BF
I put the bit on the end of my last post about her straight up lying, because I know that not everyone would be willing to automatically buy the theory I’d just spelled out.
She would have been lying, if “protection” = “transportation”. So if you don’t wanna believe that Blue Fairy is a straight up liar, then “protection” NOT EQUALING “transportation” would be a way people could accept the storyline. The whole “only one can be protected” argument is one sticking point that people have with him being Pinocchio. I’m just saying, they could make it work without having to compromise what they’ve already shown us.
@charming wrote:
He has been seen with Red,
Maybe Ruby grabbed his attention because in FTL he dealt with a girl who was part human, part animal. He subconsciously has a type. 😉
@AngieBelle wrote:
Did they just relive the same day over and over? The same year perhaps?
They’d have to relive the same year I guess, because we’ve seen things like Valentine’s Day, which is a universal annual event, and they also have Miner’s Day, which is a Storybrooke exclusive annual event. So they must cross days off the calendar like we do in the normal world.
Also, they do actually have time passing, because they can tell the time, they have watches and clocks, and it’s only the big clock in town that didn’t work, but everyone just figured it was broken and was no big deal.
So they DO notice the passage of hours, days, months, years, they just don’t notice that no one ever ages or changes, (and no one notices that Henry is different).
I guess maybe at the end of each annual cycle, everyone just goes back to the beginning again, like the kids who show up for their next year of school, still in the same class, with the same teacher, about to be taught the same lessons for the 28th time.
@AngieBelle wrote:
Also, even though the town has been in limbo for 28 years, they have some younger than 28 years technology like the internet and cellphones- although they seem dated compared to today.
Yes, this is so odd to me. They came to our world in 1983 (start year of the show – Emma’s age), but that technology they have is more modern than ’83, but not as modern as today. Mary’s phone has to be sometime after 2003, coz this is what Nokia was releasing in 2003: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1100
And they’re not all dressed like ’83 either, (thank God LOL). So they do get new things in town, new trends, but it doesn’t register with them that that means time is passing so they should be ageing.
@AngieBelle wrote:
And if they have internet, how do they not have more contact with the outside world?
Maybe their internet is censored in a way, so only certain portions of it are accessible. Like, they can access sites that are purely informational, but sites that involve interaction with others, (such as the one we’re on now) just don’t exist as far as they know.
Also, on the topic of communication with the outside world, a point I brought up in another thread recently, how does stuff get into town? The food, the groceries, the toiletries, the comic books, the clothes…stuff that is from OUR world and needs to be regularly re-stocked on store shelves in Storybrooke. How does that happen if no one has contact with people in the outside world, and even if they did, the delivery guys can’t come into town and no one can leave town to pick stuff up?
I dunno if we’re meant to really think too much about this stuff, or if we’re just meant to accept that it happens somehow.
I’m digging the thesaurus idea. The word can be either a noun (the entrance to a room) or a verb (you entrance me), and all the other words on the door are synonyms of either interpretation.
Still kinda lost on the significance of the numbers though.
Also, if I weren’t a renter, I’d SO be painting my front door to look like Emma’s. Such a cool idea.
