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That IS odd. Hmmmm.

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No confirmation email for the purchase of a bus ticket.

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@cruel_fortuna wrote:

Another world would/could be Atlantica ( the Little Mermaid ) although, a part of me would want them to have to go through water to get there. So none of these doors directly correlate, at least, I don’t think so.

Though we’ve already heard EQ mentioning dealing with a mermaid, so wouldn’t Atlantica probably be part of Fairytale? Probably under the sea that Dreamy and Nova were talking about sailing away on?

Unless Regina made a habit of hopping between worlds once she had the hat. Can she even operate that hat though? Wouldn’t Jefferson have just said, “Here, take the freakin’ hat and get outta my house,” if it was something she could use herself?

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If Hat Trick events happened after Regina took the Huntsman’s heart, then that means she had her vault before Hat Trick.

Unless this happened sometime between when Leopold died (and Genie went into the mirror) and when she hired the Huntsman, but I don’t think so because there didn’t seem to be a big space of time between those two events. We see Leopold’s coffin at the start of Heart Is A Lonely Hunter, so if Hat Trick was pre-Huntsman, that means she went to Wonderland twice in the middle of Heart Is A Lonely Hunter, (once to get her father, and a second time to bring the vault back), which isn’t likely.

Therefore, Hat Trick had to be after the Huntsman.

So if the QoH vault is the same one Regina had, QoH had to steal it at some point after the Huntsman’s heart was stashed inside. And if the QoH vault had Regina’s hearts in it, would she really have just taken that one box with her father inside and left the rest in Wonderland? That’s what’s making me think there are two vaults.

Does that make sense? Honestly, this ep has fried my brain like no other. LOL

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I’m really not sure on this one. If you look at the box directly above it, that one’s reflecting a lil bit of light too, which makes me think that’s all it was, just reflection of the lights they were using for the scene. But then, it’s so obvious, why wouldn’t they edit it out if it wasn’t supposed to mean something? So basically, I dunno what to think about this one.

@crabtrem wrote:

I did go back to the Huntsman, and the same XC notation is used in the Evil Queens collection as the Queen of Hearts. I also noted the flower pattern in the door is the same for the door in the EQ’s castle to the heart boxes, to the door of her Father’s crypt in Storybrooke, to the structure in Wonderland belonging to the Queen of Hearts. To me Henry’s crypt looks very much like the building in Wonderland. Does the timeline account for Regina’s ability to steal or win these boxes from the Queen of Hearts?

Had been wondering how they compared, so thanks for checking it out. So either they’re the same vault, or they’re identical twins. I think at this stage I’m going with twins, just because if EQ’s vault of hearts got stolen, you’d think she’d steal the whole thing back, not just go in to retrieve her father, wouldn’t you? She can’t have control over the Huntsman (and whoever else’s hearts she’s got locked up, I kinda suspect that her top rank of knights are stashed in there too) if his heart is in Wonderland, and EQ isn’t really one to relinquish power that easily. Also, if QoH stole the vault, wouldn’t she empty out all of EQs stuff? But Graham’s heart was still in there in Storybrooke.

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@weedith wrote:

One thing that seems very much like future-seeing, and not just knowing how a magic arrow works or predicting human behavior, is knowing Emma would come to Storybrooke on her 28th birthday. Even if he planted the book and maybe somehow subtly suggested to MM that she give it to Henry, and even if he was observing Henry and knew he was piecing together that nobody else in town was getting any older or changing—predicting that Henry would make his way to Boston and find Emma on her 28th birthday and that they would return to SB on that very same day, was an awfully accurate stab in the dark. I agree that Rumple does not see everything about the future, but this one is hard to explain away.

Do we know how Henry got his bus ticket to Boston? I just went back for a quick look of the scene where Emma gets into his email and they find out he’s been on the mommy finding website and that he stole Mary’s cc, but I didn’t see anything about a bus ticket there. Perhaps Mr Gold bought the ticket and got it to him somehow without Henry knowing. The kid was starting to put stuff together from reading the book and he’d found his birth mother’s info online, and then this bus ticket dated on her birthday magically turns up. Of course he’s gonna go catch that bus, and chances are Emma’s gonna bring him back home immediately.

Of course, if it turns out they did address Henry buying the bus ticket himself at some point, we’ll just disregard this post. LOL

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@rumplegoldfan wrote:

(please, GOD, let us not have to worry about Belle and Mr. Gold not being able to kiss.)

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@obisgirl wrote:

On True Love’s kiss, I’m not entirely convinced if Belle and Gold kiss in Storybrooke, that will break his curse.

I’d guess that if any kiss was going to break the curse, it’d be David and Mary’s, or more specifically, Charming and Snow’s. As we learned in “Heart of Darkness”, you can’t have true love’s kiss if the participants aren’t aware of who they are, so that’s why nothing happened when David and Mary made out. I doubt it’d change anything if Gold and Belle kissed, because it wasn’t their love that went into creating the curse.

@darcyfarrow wrote:

By “the kiss gambit” I mean the idea that falling in love would make Rumple/Gold weak, take away his will to fight.

On the contrary, I suspect bringing back his love would make him all the more powerful and determined. Might throw him for a loop at first, but once he was over the shock…look out Regina, coz there’ll be hell to pay. Surely she’s aware of this, so has been keeping Belle a secret and will only reveal her under some circumstance that’s been carefully orchestrated.

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@crabtrem wrote:

I may be wrong, but I didn’t get the impression that the clock striking was for 8 o’clock. I was assuming that school started around 8, and Emma was talking to Henry before the school bell. Not being from Maine I’m not sure what time is sunrise, but the look of the town looked like it was just around sunrise to me.

Was gonna ask about the sunrise time, but hadn’t even considered that school would have started at 8. I’m thinking the clock was striking 7 and it reminded them they were working to a deadline so they’d better get moving.

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@belleoftheball wrote:

And we have no idea it wasn’t Rumples idea for the hatter to find the escaped MM. He could have tipped him off and we don’t know it yet.

And Belleofthe ball…You brought a very interesting question…Really who told the Mad Hatter that
Emma was the saviour? I mean, I know he has knowledge of his FTL self..but only Mr. Gold and Henry really know who Emma is. Did Mr. Gold orchestrate this whole mad hatter encounter to get hold of this magical hat? Who got the magical hat in the end anyway?

Emma has the hat, she tossed it in her car.

I’m gonna hafta go back and re-watch to see if Jefferson actually said anything about her saving everyone. If he did, then that begs the question of how he knew there was meant to be someone coming to save them, because not many people knew about that prophecy. But I think perhaps he just told her that she has magic, and he knows this because the clock started ticking and stuff started happening when she arrived. He may not know her actual destiny, he may just think, “OMG someone new in town and she can make magic happen! She could help me escape.”

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@hjbau wrote:

I don’t know. I feel like if Rumpel’s only goal was to beat the queen he would just kill her. I think there has to be more to it then that.

I don’t think that rumple would directly kill someone at this point. He seems very keen on the “eye for an eye” idea, and the “price of magic” thing. If he chose to kill with magic without making a deal
there might be a price to pay for that as well.

Killing her is far too simplistic and not at all satisfying. If he wanted to do that, he’d have offed her years ago back in FTL. What he wants is to destroy her. Strip her of her power, humiliate her, crush her ego. That’s how he’s planning to beat her IMO.

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@DanielJLewis wrote:

Also keep in mind that Mr. Gold placed the key in Mary Margaret’s prison cell before Emma had come to him and told him that she approved of his results.

Good point. So the timeline had to go:
Making a deal with Regina
Planting the key (which must have happened during Mary’s interrogation, coz it was the only time the cell was vacant)
Offering to be Mary’s lawyer
Emma telling Gold she’ll do whatever it takes (and more)
Which suggests he was dealing with Regina first. Though if he was already planning to offer his legal services, then the timing probably doesn’t really matter, because he’d figured out what he needed from everyone involved already, and even if Emma hadn’t have come to him when she did, he still would have helped her and Mary out anyway. It’s just that now, Emma is aware they’re working together, and probably feels like they’ll be equal partners in the scheme, (sorry luv, not so much).

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

So I’m actually wondering if Gold and Regina were somehow working together to try to contain the crime to SB and actually have the whole thing post-poned. I think Gold wants something to happen BEFORE anything would go any farther with the trial and he was just giving Regina what she wanted as his way of helping make sure nothing about the situation leaked out of SB.

For sure they wouldn’t want it to get to the stage where involvement from people outside Storybrooke would be required. Would that even be possible? Suddenly some town that isn’t even on the map has someone who needs to go to trial for murder? So yeah, they’d need it contained, and I imagine that’d be motivation enough for Gold to work with Regina. Planting the key and having Mary make a run for it and disappear would certainly put a halt to the trial proceedings.

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@Sam993 wrote:

This is going to be a stretch, but I think that Mr. Gold agreed with Regina to get Emma out of the job. As in, Regina planted the evidence not to make MM’s life miserable and arrest her (but that must have been one of the perks), but to make Emma look bad. Mr. Gold planted the key so that MM will leave and not come back, which would get Emma fired. Like he said in the beginning of the show, if she didn’t find MM, then she can kiss her badge goodbye.

…would be a classic case of “two birds, one stone” as far as Regina was concerned, so I can totally see her planning it that way, though I think Gold wants Emma to keep her job. So I can totally see that Gold’s words to Emma about “find her or it’s your badge” would have ensured that she got out there and found her and brought her back in time. Then Regina gets all irritated about how the plan didn’t work (which is a WIN for Gold coz he likes to watch her squirm), but he can shrug and say, “Well I played my part, but it’s not like I can actually control their actions, so it’s not my fault she came back.”

Oh that Mr Gold, he’s such a tricky lil devil, isn’t he. 😉

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