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I think it’s probably Rumple too. He’s the only one whose temper Belle has seen that she would feel comfortable commenting on it. This could be the first time they see each other in 6 weeks.
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Keeper of Felix
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All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThis will either go absolutely great, or horribly wrong…
I agree. This episode is either going to make OQ a lot more even-footed and interesting or it’s going to emphasise the differences to the point that OQ takes a nose dive.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’m going to be different and say that this episode could be about Belle. I think the “Gold” definitely refers to Rumple and Hook said that Belle was Rumple’s “Heart” in season 2. Perhaps this is the episode where Belle and Rumple actually come face to face again after the 4A finale.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixNo, no he wasn’t. He was putting up healthy boundaries between himself and his extremely borderline personality disorder/BPD mother. His expectations of her were consistent and fair. You both will have to point to specific examples within context, because I don’t know what you mean, I am afraid.
I’m going to include Henry’s treatment of not just Regina but Emma too.
Henry wants Regina saved from the mob because “she’s my mom” despite season 1 being all “she’s the evil queen she must be defeated” then at the end he completely blows Regina off.
Regina takes Henry under duress but realise that that is not the healthy way to parent Henry. She lets him go with Charming because she wants to be better for Henry and redeem herself, something which Henry encourages. Henry then undermines this in the very next episode by calling Regina, asking to meet up for lunch, which is something Regina is very happy about and rushes to get there, all so he can steal her keys and break into her vault. Regina then phones Charming and tells him where Henry has gone because she doesn’t think he wants to see her. Henry led Regina on and gave her false hope of building bridges with her son.
Rumple and Regina then seal off the portal to prevent Cora coming through but Henry convinces her to unseal it. Despite the effort nearly killing her, Henry completely then ignores Regina because Emma is back in town. They all head to Gold’s shop to save Charming. Henry is hugging Regina and talking about how she saved them but then completely drops her to head off to dinner with the group without so much as inviting her.
Henry believes Regina has killed Archie, this upsets Regina greatly thus making her more vulnerable to Cora’s manipulations. Upon Archie coming back, Henry proclaims that he “knew” Regina didn’t murder Archie. If he “knew”, why the hell did he not express this view?
In New York, Henry finds out Emma lied about his father. There are valid reasons why she did this. Henry suddenly started treating Emma like he did Regina where his old parent drops out of favour because a new parent has suddenly come on the scene. Emma did not like this and apologises because she just wants Henry to talk to her again.
In a later episode, Henry demands to be told what is going on even though it is absolutely none of his business. Emma gives in, not wanting to suffer the Regina treatment again. Henry then storms off because he didn’t like what he heard.
Regina misses Henry so much that she just wants him to love her so comes up with the empty heart curse. Henry then has the most stupidest idea ever to blow up magic (it was so stupid, it would’ve served him right if he blew himself up). Regina stops him and he convinces her that she doesn’t need to use the empty heart curse because he already loves her. He then ditches her again once she destroys the curse and nobody tells him how stupid he was for messing with dynamite.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIs the woman supposed to be dead or is he just thinking about her? All throughout I thought she’s dead especially with the lyrics about ghosts and letting go and the fact he doesn’t interact with her, but then he talks to her at the end.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAnd there may just be a reason as to why Robin Hood and Regina Mills are soul mates! Regina may have been happy with Daniel, who would have eventually still been killed by Cora, and Robin may have been happy with Marian, who may have still been killed by Death or Fate, but OutlawQueen Union is something that was supposed to have happened! And that is why Fate is trying to right the wrong done in the past, by giving them their what should now be a third chance.
We need to see that reason WHY otherwise it’s just a plot device to get the two characters together. I don’t think “fate” is trying to right a “wrong” because Regina/Daniel and Robin/Marian both met naturally. It wasn’t like what Regina did to David and MM in season one where she deliberately stuck Kathryn in their way and David thought he was supposed to be with Kathryn. Marian coming back could’ve been that but Marian herself has chosen to step aside and let OQ happen. “Fate” then threw a curve ball by making it so Marian started to freeze up again and Robin had to leave with her. If all “fate” wanted was to get OQ together, why did it split them up again when they were going to be together?
And Robin would not have technically run for the hills, because he really is a man full of curiosity. I believe he’d be more interested in why she is his soul mate rather than getting on his knees, bargaining with God to spare him the ordeal. And when he met her, he’d be just as intrigued and perceptive of her as he was in 3×12.
This is all assuming Regina didn’t cut his head off or anything upon meeting him. She had a bounty on his head after all.
OutlawQueen Prophecy is about giving them the best choice in which they would be MOST happy! And seriously, who’d want to go on a Hunt to find their soul mate, it’s better to just know right off the bat who and what you’re dealing with. If the prophecy states that it’s your soul mate, there isn’t need for much of a choice, and should your soul mate die, then you move on to the next best option, finding you a True Love.
Daniel was Regina’s true love hence why she was so pissed at Snow for decades for causing his death. If “true love” is supposedly a lesser form of love than soulmate, then why did Regina get so pissed at Snow? After all, it was only her true love not her soulmate? I think it’s the other way round- true love beats soulmate.
As Adam and Eddy have said, Soul Mate is that one and only person that’ll make you whole and complete, a True Love is someone afterward that can try to measure up to your Soul Mate. But I’m pretty sure Soul Mate Bond is never truly broken, but if one was to die, then you’re left to try to find a True Love.
A&E say a lot of things. They wound up RumBellers during season 2 by referring to Cora as Rumple’s soulmate. Then they backtracked and said Belle is Rumple’s true love and that Cora and Rumple just had a lot in common. When they were asked the soulmate vs true love question at comic-con or paleyfest, they gave an on the spot answer which was very unsatisfactory for the fandom.
Once again, Robin Hood is a very perceptive man who could see past the whole Evil Queen Front….he could instantly see Regina, not the Evil Queen.
Him and Belle should start a support group because of their respective partners.
Yeah…I could probably understand that being cautious thing…but only if it had been 40 years ago back in the Enchanted Forest or 3 Years Ago with Mayor Mills. The fact is…he’s seen this woman put her life on the line, and has heard stories from her family of how she has saved them. It is unfair to hold someone accountable for their past actions when you’ve heard from the very woman(Snow White) that she hunted, and who she went evil for, that the woman has changed. Therefore it wasn’t that much of an issue because EVERYONE knew Regina has changed.
I still think there should’ve at least been a little distrust before everything was A-Okay. Snow vouching for Regina would’ve been nice to see although her being stood alive next to Regina was probably a big hint that Regina may have changed, but still would’ve been nice to see onscreen.
It’s not his fault that Marian got frozen, obviously death or fate is trying it’s hardest to kill the woman, and that’s just one perspective of him “crawling” back to his soul mate. The man was clearly unhappy, and let’s not forget that even when Marian was Frozen, he tried for some days to keep his distance from Regina, but the struggle was apparently real for him. There was really no way for Robin to make a decision, and everyone would be happy….because some people would still find something wrong with his choice. It was really a small journey arc for Robin now that I think about it…he realized that he was going against his own code by staying with Marian because he wasn’t living truthfully, so there was a lesson to be learned throughout this entire ordeal.
Again they didn’t show it on-screen. Marian wasn’t even fully frozen yet when Robin started sniffing around Regina again. She could probably still hear them.
It all goes back to Robin never made a decision then stuck to it. I liked Robin in 3A. In 4A he just seems a bit weak.
Alas, something we both can agree on!
To be honest…I really wanted for Regina to do what Cookie did to her son for disrespecting her.Is it bad that I wanted Henry to get bit by the agrabah vipers? or that Regina succeeded in the empty hearted curse? Honestly, if Henry was a bit more consistent in his feeling for her, she wouldn’t have felt like she had to do that.
Technically, the reason Regina had such a hard time learning dark magic was probably because that was probably never her area of magic, which I and many other Evil Regals now think was Light Magic. Zelena was supposed to have dark magic, and Regina was supposed to have light…and the reason Regina couldn’t be as strong as she was in Neverland was because Regina had been convinced Zelena was stronger, and her pride had been heavily damaged with learning it was Zelena Rumple had been so proud of and not she. However, Robin, Henry, and her family believing in her gave her the strength and determination and the love that unlocked her long overdue light magic. Kansas Regina learned a lesson that even if you don’t believe in yourself, there is always someone who believes in you, and that is something Regina needed to learn. So I disagree that she was whiny, annoying, patronizing, and hypocritical because she learned a valuable lesson!
I just dislike the “believe in yourself and you can achieve anything” trope. Either you can do something or you can’t and you find another way to overcome that obstacle. Not you can’t do something but a little pep talk suddenly enables you to.
And just to clear up the air…she had a point with Rumple. Even though Zelena played a part in Neal’s death, they’ve taken sons and daughters as well…Rumple just finally knows what that feels like. And before you bring up had it been Henry, let me say that Regina knew Henry would NOT have wanted her to exact revenge on Zelena, she would have respected her son’s wishes. She may have never had nothing to do with her from that day forward, but she would not have killed her.
Regina threatened to kill Zelena if she stepped out of line. Regina may have known that Henry wouldn’t have wanted her to exact revenge, but she still would’ve. I support Regina not wanting Rumple to give into his hate, but the way she made her point was very patronising, she could’ve worded it a lot differently. “Heroes don’t kill” is not a Regina line, it’s a Snow or Emma line.
Well, move aside True Love because Soul Mate is coming through and maybe taking it’s top spot.
I think True love tops Soulmate.
I whole heartedly agree with this! Regina is better an Anti Hero than a full on Hero, because she gets what can’t be done, done!
Definitely.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI.
A prophecy is a prophecy…no matter how you twist it, OutlawQueen Fate and Emma’s Destiny are all in the same boat as prophecy, and again…can’t favor one over the other, The entire show is about destiny and fate, and OQ’s Prophecy was to unite them with the best person with whom they would be HAPPIEST with. It’s not a bad thing at all to be united with the person that will give you your Happily Ever After….technically, it would make real life super duper splendid if everyone knew who they were meant to be with. Because no matter what their past is, or how they may seem in the present…at least you’re guaranteed a happy future with them.
Emma only became the saviour because Rumple manipulated events to be that way. There is a reason WHY the prophesy about Emma came about. OQ’s prophesy only came about because the writers decided to put Robin and Regina together and skip developing that relationship properly. There is no in-show reason WHY OQ are destined to be together. It’s certainly no uniting the opposing clans sort of deal. Regina was happy with Daniel, Robin was happy with Marian and each couple would’ve been perfectly happy in their separate lives.
“Because no matter what their past is, or how they may seem in the present…at least you’re guaranteed a happy future with them.” This is kind of disconcerting. How would Robin have felt if, during the height of Regina’s evil queen reign when she was in full on peasant murdering mode, if he was told that his future happiness lay with this particular woman. Robin would’ve run a mile because that would not be the sort of person he’d want to be with, let alone love, especially as she had a dead or alive poster out on him and would’ve carried through on that threat.
The reason Emma resents her “Savior” fate is because it comes along with so much pressure as well as trouble, OutlawQueen’s “SoulMate” Fate is one to rejoice over because they found each other despite everything they went through in their lives.
Emma’s saviour role has kind of expired now, she served her purpose, she broke the first dark curse. Now she’s just pressured to help in situations because of the saviour tag sticking. Thing is though, as saviour, Emma has a choice. She can choose to be the saviour and contend with all these hardships thus “embracing her destiny” or she can choose to run away, leave it all behind and be happy and everyone else has to sort out their own problems. OQ have to be together or else they’ll be miserable for the rest of their lives. That “prophesy” doesn’t offer much choice. It’s not even a vague “tall, dark, handsome stranger” prophesy which leaves some room for choice of whether it’s tall, dark, handsome stranger number 1, 2, or 3. It’s very specific. This person or misery until the end of your days. Not exactly something to rejoice about.
II.
And do so tell why Robin should have the “I don’t like you nor trust you”…he’s not that type of guy because he knows he should be the last person to judge Regina. Especially if what Sean said about Robin having just as dark of a past as Regina is true.
Unless Robin was slaughtering villages full of peasants, fantasising the murder of a 10 year old right into her adulthood, and forcing people to be his sex slave, then there is no way Robin’s past is AS dark as Regina’s. Robin may have killed some people in the past for which he is sorry for (and which we’ve not yet seen) but Regina is in the big leagues for dark past, Robin is little league.
As for why Robin should have had the “I don’t like you nor trust you” moment is because until he actually gets to know Regina, he only knew her as the evil queen- the peasant village murdering, Snow White hunting evil queen. That is not someone you would happily let your child hang around unsupervised with.
Robin is one of the most understanding, if not the most understanding character in the entire show. He instantly saw past the whole Evil Queen Moniker, and could see what took forever for everyone else to see. He’s a very perceptive man, who saw a woman who everyone claims to be the darkest in the land, save his son and give him a toy. He saw the hurting woman underneath the “Iron Lady” front she may put up, and could relate to her on many levels.
Within the first few seconds of meeting someone, their reputation (if they have one) is the thing you are most aware of and that informs you of how you should act around that person. For example, if you met someone with the reputation and nickname of “Stabby Annie”, the last thing you’d trust them with is anything sharp and pointy and you’d be extremely wary of them. As you get to know them more and ascertained they’re not a homicidal maniac who will kill you as soon as your back is turned THEN you start to trust them more. It’s natural selection, recognising danger before it gets the chance to end you. Robin should’ve at least been a bit wary of Regina because of her reputation, not burn the witch wary, but wary enough not to immediately be making doey eyes at her.
As for why Regina opened up so quickly to Robin Hood, yes it’s because they’re soul mates, but also…she planned on offing herself, so she really could care less if it was a stranger or not because she was going to put herself into an eternal sleep.
Whilst this could be the case, at the same time it’s a bit “convenient” that the person she opens up to is her “soulmate”. Had OQ not had the whole soulmate thing hanging over their heads then it would probably feel less contrived.
III.
Again…he had fallen in love with his soul mate, and it would be quite two faced to go speak all lovey dovey words to her one minute, and then talk crap behind her back the next. That’s not the type of man he is, and he did face conflict because he was caught between his true love and his already terminated vows.
Being in a relationship with someone then finding out your new partner who you love murdered your previous spouse and being conflicted about that is not “two faced”, it’s called having a normal reaction to finding out your new partner who you love murdered your previous spouse. It would be even more important to get that issue worked out especially when you’re letting your four year old son socialise with that person. Robin didn’t work that issue out so much as gloss over it and ignore it.
Robin’s “conflict” between Marian and Regina didn’t play out as a conflict because the moment Marian was frozen, he went crawling back to Regina. Had Marian remained unharmed and Robin was still pining after Regina but felt bound to stay with Marian, then it would be a conflict. As it stands, it looks like Robin went crawling back to option B because his first choice stopped benefitting him. There are so many ways they could have played the Regina/Robin/Marian situation that would not make Robin look like such a douchebag.
1. Robin chooses Marian because of his vows, but she sees how much he loves and pines for Regina so “releases” him even though he would’ve stayed with her out of duty. (Basically what we got minus Marian being frozen and the OQ stuff in between).
2. Robin chooses Regina and Marian forbids him from ever seeing Roland because of Regina
then gets frozen. Regina and Robin then decide to try and unfreeze Marian because it is the right thing to do despite it being easier to leave Marian frozen and carry on their lives. Marian then accepts Regina and everyone is happy.3. Robin chooses Marian because of vows then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina and realises how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing. She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
4.Robin chooses Regina then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina so realises how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing.She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
5. Robin chooses Regina but explains that he needs to explain things to Marian so he goes with Marian temporarily but with the explicit intention of being with Regina because he chooses her. Marian then gets frozen, Robin and Regina then have lots of UST because he doesn’t want to “betray” Marian aka have sex with Regina until he has officially ended it with Marian.
Basically have Robin make a decision and stick to it.
IV.
Regina’s redemption does not rely solely on Robin Hood, but it does rely on love, companionship, and knowing that there is at least someone on her side, all of which she did not have back in Season 2, you know back when everyone threw her dark past in her face and falsely accuse her after she had just saved them, which allowed Cora to easily gain her as an ally…Cora showed that she was the ONLY one on her side.
The “heroes” annoyed me in season 2 because of how quickly they turned on Regina (and Rumple whenever something went wrong. Did it never occur to them that there might be other people capable of causing mayhem other than Regina and Rumple? Their line of thinking seems to be if it’s not one then it’s the other and if it’s neither then they’re stumped). Henry was a horrible brat, Emma’s rant at him in 3B should’ve been in season 2. Henry’s treatment of Regina was nasty, constantly blowing hot and cold so Regina didn’t know if she was coming or going.
It’s the Kansas pep talk with Henry and Robin that I really dislike and the fact they made Emma useless just to turn Regina into Emma. Regina doesn’t need people to “believe” in her to get things done, Neverland proved that.
Since when did falling in love with the man you were fated to be with 30 years ago, take away your independence and inner strength? If anything, it increased it, because that love she had from her family, Robin, and Henry unlocked the light magic, she was more than likely supposed to learn all those years ago. It was because of Henry, her family, and Robin that Regina was able to save everyone yet again by defeating Zelena.
I dislike the Kansas peptalk a lot (see above). Regina became Emma and hasn’t used the light magic since, it was literally a one time thing to solve that plot point when Emma would’ve of been the natural character to do that. Neverland Regina was great, she got things done and didn’t need anyone to “believe” in her because she knew she could succeed. Kansas Regina was whiny, annoying, patronising and hypocritical.
V.
Wait a minute, wait a minute…I think we’re having two interpretations of him saying “Today is not one of those days.”
He dropped his moral code and honor because it was not only making him suffer, but because it was also hurting the woman he loved…his soul mate. He was really rebelling against his code because he was not live truthfully, an example he himself said he didn’t want his son to learn, so he chose Regina.
Here’s the thing though. The honourable and truthful thing would’ve been to tell Marian the truth (or at least indicate in-show that was what Robin was planning to do once Marian was settled in town) before she became an icicle. As it currently stands, it seemed like Robin didn’t want to be “honourable” because he wasn’t benefitting from it. Robin wasn’t “truthful” with Marian therefore he kind of shot himself in the foot.
The First Choice never worked for him, something he probably knew would happen. He TRIED to make it work, and the moment Marian became frozen, He STILL TRIED to make it work. It took him maybe a week before he really went back to Regina, he only confessed that he truly loved Regina, an explanation given why his TLK didn’t work with Marian. He and Regina even avoided each other the best they could, but you can’t fight the pull when it’s pulling you.
Regina tried to avoid Robin, he was the one that wouldn’t leave her alone. Again if he knew Marian wasn’t going to work out for whatever reason, why did he choose her anyway then only left her when she became frozen. As above, Robin could’ve indicated he chose Regina but wanted to explain things to Marian and get her settled in town before he broke up with her.
VI.
Robin and Regina are soul mates…those who don’t like it can do nothing but accept it at this point. It is what it is now.
It is what it is. We might have to accept it, doesn’t mean we have to like it.
As I’ve said before, OQ has the potential to be good. The idea itself is a good one. The way it has been executed especially in 4A is where it has gone to pot. Let Regina and Robin start again with a blank slate so they can pretend 3B and 4A didn’t happen. The writers need to stop ramming the soulmate crap down the audience’s throats. Let OQ be together because they’re good together, have chemistry etc etc not because of the sole reason that they’re “soulmates”.
Is Soul Mate a higher level than True Love…maybe.
“True Love is (supposedly) the most powerful magic of all” Canon fact within the show’s first two seasons. No soulmates even mentioned, if it was it would’ve probably been attached to Snowing since they’re meant to have this “perfect” true love. As Regina says to Snow in the fanfic I’m writing: “Snow, you and Charming are so inseparable; it’s not just a heart you’re sharing but a brain as well.”
VII.
It is not good to dwell on the past nor the negative…so it’s best to forgive and forget. Regina’s wrongdoing has been absolved because although she killed Marian once, she saved her THRICE! Marian still has her son and her life, two things that thanks to Regina Mills is made possible because some OutlawQueen Fans were rooting to just let her die because Regina had done all she could do. So…Regina’s paid her dues to Marian three times over.
Forgive but never forget is the wisest move. Marian would’ve had “her son and her life” if Regina hadn’t interfered in the first place in the past. Regina has course corrected that first mistake but she still did it in the first place. At this point, it shouldn’t be held against her but it shouldn’t be forgotten.
VIII.
ROFL at the “Pass & Go” Comment, but seriously, the road to redemption has to end at some point, otherwise Storybrooke and it’s citizens are huge grudge holders who just can’t be pleased. But, I think the fact she’s saved her victims descendants, as well as those still living on multiple occasions….heck, if we’re going to be completely honest Regina and Rumple have saved Storybrooke more times than Emma Swan, the “Savior”. But that’s a story for another time.
I do think that would be an interesting point to explore on the show: Where does the path of redemption end especially for the likes of Rumple and Regina?
The point is…Regina Mills has earned the right to not only call herself a Hero, and she will gain back her Soulmate, the man she was destined to be with over 40 years ago.
I see Regina as more of an anti-hero than a full blown hero. She’s willing to do what’s necessary that the “heroes” wouldn’t consider. For example, taking that lost boy’s heart in Neverland in order to send a message to Henry. Regina will be the villain so that the other heroes don’t have to be, which in itself is kind of heroic. Regina will ever be the stereotypical hero like Snow, Charming or Emma. She’ll do it her way.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOk…too much to quote, so i’ll just stick with the highlights!
1. Destiny
To dislike the destiny or fate that pulled Robin and Regina together….is it safe to say that we can also dislike Emma’s destiny and fate to be the Savior because if we look at it through that point of view, Emma’s not in control of her own life either. If “Pixie Dust Says So” is bad writing then so is Rumple’s “Savior” prophecy. So should we hate the whole Savior Moniker Emma has as well? We can’t favor one over the other.
Emma as the saviour only came about because Rumple used Snowing’s true love in the curse as a safety valve. Emma is not in control of her life in the sense that everything was set up to get her to Storybrooke to break the curse. There is a reason WHY Emma is the saviour. Emma’s “destiny” is not saying “You have to be with this person and there is nothing you can do about it”. Emma’s “fate” is not saying “all your romantic pursuits will fail and crash and burn until you end up with this specific person”.
Being prophesised to play a role is not the same as being told that you have to be with one specific person and you have no say in the matter otherwise you will be miserable for the rest of your life. In fact Emma resents her “destiny” as saviour.
2. Relationship Buildup
We had a lot of moments between Robin Hood and Regina….
– The first meeting, equal attraction.
Snow: He’s kinda cute huh?
Regina: He smells like forest.
-The moment Regina saved Roland, and then gave him a toy monkey. That was Robin Hood’s “You’re not as bad as they say” moment.
– Robin Hood tagging along with Regina to infiltrate her castle, Regina admiring his honor, and Robin admiring her soft heart.
Regina: Who knew a thief had honor?
Robin: Who knew an Evil Queen had a soft spot for children?
– The small talk in her family crypt where Regina tells Robin about how she lost Henry, that was a milestone itself to even open up to Robin Hood, something she has a lot of trouble doing with other people. Then Robin Hood tried to talk Regina out of offing herself….even Prince Charming noted that the Queen must like him because she had given him a gift of golden arrows….it’s more than likely hard to get a present out of Regina unless you’re Henry.
I can go on and on and list every moment they shared…but the ones I just showed were clear enough proof of the build up of OutlawQueen. Yes, they were at each other’s throats, but that was just a burning passion they had no idea how to be adult about…
Regina saving Roland and giving him the toy monkey was not the “you’re not so bad” moment because Robin never had the “I don’t like you nor trust you” moment to begin with. One can not exist without the other. Robin just jumped into the “you’re hot” territory within seconds of meeting Regina for the first time. That initial scene is so awkward by the fact that Sean helps Lana up first and leaves a heavily pregnant Ginny on the ground.
Regina suddenly opening up to Robin when as you say “she has a lot of trouble doing with other people” just reeks of rushed writing. She’s literally just met the guy, why would she be so open with him? Without the “they’re soulmates” excuse, there is no way Regina would let herself be that vulnerable in front of a stranger she doesn’t know that well.
3. Robin’s Reaction To Regina Killing Marian
Ok…once again….even though everyone else probably would have saw the absolute worst in Regina, Robin Hood could still see the best in her despite everything. He knew that Regina was insane, and out of her mind 30 years ago, and that she wasn’t that woman anymore. What did you all expect, for a good hearted man to throw her past up in her face, lash out at her, accuse her of being evil and corrupt like everyone else did in Storybrooke?
I expected Robin to show some actual conflict about the revelation. Not to Regina’s face but to at least express his conflict perhaps to Will. He can still choose Regina, to choose to leave the past in the past, but it would’ve been nice to see him wrestle with that moral conundrum especially as in 3B he described Marian as “beloved”.
What good would come of that? Regina was already tipping on her toes on the border of good and evil in 4A, and it was her love for Robin, Henry, and her family, all who had her back, that kept her grounded on the side of good. Had Robin Hood lashed out at Regina in 4×01 like some of you wanted…then the Evil Queen would have surely been awakened, and it would not have ended well for anyone. But because Robin Hood is an understanding, good hearted man, he didn’t throw her dark past up in her face like the Charmings, Rumpelstilskin, or even her own mother did.
I disagree with this notion because it basically says that Regina’s redemption is reliant on Robin loving her, that she can only be good when she’s in a relationship otherwise she flips out and goes “evil queen” on everybody. Regina’s redemption should be based on her wanting to be good and make up for her past misdeeds, not whether she and Robin have a falling out or not.
That’s one of the things I dislike about Regina in 3B and 4A, how she went from being a strong willed independent woman who could make her own choices to being a woman who had to rely on a man’s love to help her function and be good.
4. OutlawQueen was not an affair…
Ok….Lana Parrilla gave the best explanation that Evil Regals are celebrating her for. OutlawQueen was not an affair because Marian was dead. When she came back, it was pretty much like in the Castaway Movie (Lana is brilliant for this comparison), Robin Hood had moved on with Regina, it’s not his fault Marian came back. Few people expected him to just tell Regina “Well it was fun while it lasted, but I’m going back to my dead wife!”
He mourned Marian, and he moved on….he only went back to her because of his vows that really were terminated thirty years ago, but I’m pretty sure the separation from his soul mate took a strain on his sub-conscious and emotions. He did what everyone wanted him to do…he tried to go back to Marian, he tried to keep his vow, but Regina had his heart. It was something that couldn’t be helped…he couldn’t just sit there and rub Marian’s frozen hands and feet till she defrosted. And that TLK Failing was clear example that it was over between him and Marian who can now just be good friends.
3B OQ was not an affair. 4A OQ kind of was for the reason that Robin chose Marian first then, when she was frozen, went back to Regina. Had he chosen Regina first and explained things to Marian then it wouldn’t have been an affair. This is why I hope OQ do a do over so that they can start again blank slate and pretend that 3B and 4A didn’t happen although with the benefit that Marian is okay with them.
As for him sleeping with Regina, it was something probably long overdue, and to be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if they fooled around back in the EF during that missing year. True…a crypt isn’t probably the most comfortable place to get it on in, but at least we now know she had a bed down there. Marian was in a frozen coma with little hope of ever coming out of it, and OutlawQueen is true love/soul mates, I don’t know…what else could they have done with all of that sexual tension in that small, fire lit room…play a game of Monopoly?
The way Regina was acting towards Robin up to the curse casting I very much doubt they “fooled around” in the EF. If the show goes back and shows us more of the missing bits of the lost year and fills in the blanks and shows us something DID happen and develop between OQ which made Regina act the way she did, doubtful at this point since the show’s moved on, then it wouldn’t seem so rushed but the way it currently stands, OQ did not get very close in the EF.
Also the way that the sex scene went down wasn’t the most romantic. Robin chooses to be with Marian but she gets frozen so he then goes crawling back to the woman he dumped and keeps pursuing her despite her telling him to go back to his wife. He then tells her that she makes him want to forget his honour and moral code and she gives in to his advances.
Robin needed to man up and make the choice between Marian and Regina before Marian got frozen then have the balls to stick to his original choice instead of changing his mind when the first choice didn’t work out for him.
5. True Love vs Soul Mates
Robin and Regina were fated to happen…that has already been stated as canon.
Let’s take a look at the facts…had Regina and Daniel really run off together, we all know it wouldn’t have been long till Cora found them, and the same results would have occurred. The only reason Snow White is responsible is because she couldn’t keep a secret, something that can no longer be denied with the excuse she was a child because even as an adult, she told Emma about Neal being alive the first chance she got. Secrets are not Snow’s strong suit.
Robin and Marian….nine times out of ten, Robin only met Marian because Regina was too scared to meet him. And even still Marian ended up dead, and death has continually tried to kill Marian who will probably be dead by the end of 4B due to some freak accident. Death or Fate is trying his/her best to take Marian out.
Though Daniel and Marian may have once been Robin and Regina’s true loves…they were not their soul mates., and please don’t turn the tables to make Robin and Regina’s characters look bad just because they finally found their soul mate. Regina tried to kill Snow because of her hand in the death of her true love, someone she thought would ever truly love her. Because Regina didn’t meet Robin, he met his true love Marian elsewhere. Though it doesn’t really matter….the Soul Mates have each other now. OutlawQueen does not diminish Marian or Daniel, it just probably stands on higher ground. Could the love be greater…who knows?
“OutlawQueen does not diminish Marian or Daniel, it just probably stands on higher ground.” That is the very definition of diminishing Marian and Daniel. You are elevating OQ to a higher status and thus being “better” because they’re “soulmates” whereas Daniel and Marian were only “true loves”. There is a reason why the true love vs soulmate debate caused such a stir in the fandom because for two whole seasons we were led to believe that true love was the be all and end all of relationships and that Snowing had the most perfect relationship of all because of “true love” and Regina was pissed at Snow because she caused the death of Regina’s true love. Then in the third season, the writers suddenly introduced this new concept of “soulmates”, which hadn’t been even mentioned before prior to the creation of OQ, without explaining what it meant within the grand scheme of things.
6. The Villains Price
Let me start off by saying…yes, Hook gets away scot-free with everything.
But I strongly disagree about Regina who has paid her dues for her past sins. From losing her son on multiple occasions, to being wrongly accused, to losing her mother, her sister, true love twice, and even her soul mate. I don’t feel like listing the rest of them, but we all know she has paid her dues.
Rumple…this is the second time I’ve ever seen him pay for his sins, so he’s not always punished.
Rumple gets punished for everything including when he does good. The stuff that went down with Hook and Milah in the past, came back to bite him when Hook came seeking revenge and even targeted Belle to get back at Rumple. Rumple goes power mad, he loses his son. Rumple sacrifices himself to save everyone, he’s resurrected, enslaved then his son dies. Rumple wants to free himself from the dagger albeit through not above board ways, he gets cast out of Storybrooke.
7. Forgive So You Can Live In Peace, Forget So You Can Move On
Yeah…Regina and Marian are even. She killed her once, and saved her thrice….they’re WAY EVEN!
Marian only missed four years of little Roland’s life, she needs to be grateful she gets to live to see the rest of it, and yes thanks to Regina. Even Marian said that they were even…if she can forgive and forget, I think everyone else should as well!
Marian can forgive and Marian can forget but that does not absolve Regina from the wrong doing in the first place. For example, if you punched someone in the face, you can apologise and they can forgive you and move on, but that still doesn’t remove the fact that you punched them in the face in the first place.
I will admit it, Regina has done terrible things in the past, some even unspeakable, but I choose to also remember that she was an entirely different woman 30 Years Ago. And that Regina has done a lot to save/help the people she once cursed, and inflicted suffer on. I choose to think in the course of an eye for an eye…Regina cursed everyone, she saved everyone, and she’s even put her life on the line many times for her people…does it right the wrong she did in the past, NO it does not, but she cant change that. All she can do is move forward, and help the descendants of the people she’s killed, and the people she’s cursed….that is all she can do to make up for what she did in the past.
Whilst that’s all well and lovely, it still doesn’t negate the fact that Regina did those things in the first place. Regina doesn’t get to go “well I helped an old lady across the road today so that cancels out the murder of my elderly father”. Redemption is an ongoing process, it’s not a game of monopoly where Regina or Rumple or Hook pass go and collect $200.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
