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I think she’s dead but she created a kind of fail-safe that is triggered upon her death. Charming commented before that she is quite the strategist.
So I think this is her backup plan, which is a kind of gamble – if she dies, the time travel spell will be activated and drag somebody into the portal. This will result in the past being changed albeit randomly. However, Zelena has nothing to lose as she is already dead. She just needs to gamble that the person who travels back may change something and set off a chain of events so that Zelena doesn’t die in the new altered timeline.
[adrotate group="5"]It would also take away Emma’s unique magical quality if Regina can now do the same magic she can, essentially making them the same kind of witch.
Then wouldn’t Regina have been redundant all along with Rumple around (if they are both on the heroes’ team)? And it was always a possibility that Emma’s powers may be stripped away leaving her with no magic at all. In that case, you wouldn’t have any white witch in the team at all if Regina did not become one.
I have an issue with her suddenly being able to use white true love magic out of nowhere when she is heartless and can only feel things to a certain degree and because she suddenly willed it to be so.
Regina already did a True Love’s kiss on Henry which proved she is still capable of true love. And it isn’t unprecedented because Graham also shared a TLk with Emma in the first season even without his heart and regained his memories as a result. And Regina did not suddenly change on the spot. Her changes were in steps – first daring to love again, then giving up on her hatred to Snow and going so far as to protect her (remember “you have to go through me first, mother”), and finally giving up on her vengeance against her sister (who actually hasn’t done any real damage to her at this point). Plus, I would argue that Regina simply reverted back to her original personality – one that was willing to risk her life for a total stranger.
I actually have a greater issue with true love babies suddenly being magical. Like I mentioned before, if all it takes for a person to have magic is for his/her parents to be truly in love, then how come Snow or Aurora don’t have magic? Surely Snow and Charming can’t be the only true love couple around in the EF? Shouldn’t there be a lot of potential powerful white mages waiting to be trained to become saviours?
I have an issue that all it took for them to defeat Zelena, who has been built up as this epic big bad since 312, was taking off a piece of jewelry.
Glinda already said as much that taking off the pendant that Zelena wore would strip her of her powers so this was already foreshadowed and Charming was planning for Emma to do so anyway. Plus, the show isn’t so much about epic magical battles is it? Think how easily Rumple was able to slip past Pan’s guard and kill him when he had no magic at all. In every previous encounter with Pan, Rumple was always on the losing side. And then Rumple’s sudden decison to no longer rely on magic suddenly enabled him to kill Pan using physical strength? Why didn’t Pan just poof away?
He was also just trying to teach her magic. Remember what Zelena saw in the magic floor? Regina trying to poof an object and Rumple coming up and telling her “good job
That doesn’t mean Regina wasn’t trying to tap into her negative emotions while attempting to poof the object. So far, only light or dark magic has been seen in this show (for humans at least). There is no mention of “neutral” magic. Rumple stated that magic is emotion. Either you draw your powers from negative emotions or you draw it from positive ones.
In my opinion, Emma having great powers just because she is born from true love doesn’t really make sense. Emma is hardly the only true love child around, what about Aurora (her mother was the original Sleeping Beauty who was awoken by TLK) or Snow herself? Why don’t they have magic? What about ordinary happily married EF couples who are not princes or princesses? Do their children all grow up to have super powers?
True love ought to be a choice. Emma had the role of saviour forced down her throat by Rumple and then she was further coerced into fulfilling that role by her parents. Emma herself admitted she did not want to be the saviour or have anything to do with magic. It’s much more satisfying to me that Regina is the one to fulfill the role of Savior in this arc because she fought her dark side and made the choice to let true love in instead of being afraid of it like before.
Regina started off the second half of this season by letting Robin into her life, then she protected Snow from harm, and then she proved her true love for Henry. These are all major steps she took before she was finally able to let go of her vengeance and tap into light magic so it really isn’t that out of the blue. Also, like others have pointed out, the theme for this part of the season is Wicked vs Evil. So it was always gearing towards a final showdown between Zelena and Regina. Emma (and the Charmings) were the focus for Season 1 and 2. Rumple was arguably the hero for Season 3a. I don’t see anything wrong with letting Regina have the limelight for this half of the season.
To those who pointed out that Regina was a slow learner in magic so she shouldn’t have the power to defeat Zelena. The thing is that Rumple was trying to teach Regina dark magic in order to corrupt her to cast the curse. His methods were all about using rage and other negative emotions for fuel. Regina’s affinity may very well have been for light magic all along since she was initially a good person. So her not being a quick student like her sister could just be that Rumple was using the wrong methods on her; just like Emma wasn’t exactly a quick learner when Regina tried to teach her to use anger to create fire. Only when Regina let Emma use her own instincts instead of following Rumple’s methods did Emma improve so quickly.
Edit: I just double checked…Hook doesn’t actually specify what kind of bird…”seagull” and “pigeon”, I believe, were suppositions.
Yes, I rewatched that scene, he did say “bird” and not “seagull”. Though that might not be the only episode he referenced the message.
So one more time, for the cheap seat in the back, how the HECK does Hook get to our world?! Regina just said that there are no more portals–hats, beans, ect.
Regina said that a wall was set up between FTL and LWM because she undid the curse and all possible portals were sealed shut as a result. Maybe when Regina re-created the curse and Snow re-cast it the wall was brought down and the portals started to work again.
Given that Snow and Charming seem to be the only rulers left in the EF
Just because the other rulers are MIA or turned into flying monkeys doesn’t make Snow and Charming the de-facto rulers of the other kingdoms. Eric or Phillip’s relatives would likely take over the crown or the high ranking officials in their respective courts would run the kingdom temporarily. And at the very least, Rapunzel’s kingdom still has its rulers in one piece from what we last saw.
they do kind of have the right to make those kind of sweeping decisions,
Which would make them into tyrants, ignoring the happiness of their people to pursue their own agenda (similar to pre-Curse Regina).
there would have been little to no consequences other than them simply being ‘displaced’ from the EF.
Except some of them were turned into flying monkeys and might be dead now because they were shot or burned into a crisp by our “heroes”.
they were casting the Curse in order to get back to the one person who could stop someone who was threatening their entire existence and the existence of every other person in the Enchanted Forest, including their unborn child.
So far on-screen, all we have seen is Zelena attacking Snow’s group and hijacking their castle. There is no mention that she is randomly killing peasants or anything like that (and why would she do that anyway?). Aurora told Snow that Zelena’s motive was her baby and not, say, to take over the entire realm. We have no evidence that Zelena is threatening the lives of anyone else (except for Aurora and Phillip but she left them alone until they betrayed her).
So what does a personal vendetta between Regina, the Charmings and Zelena have to do with the entire Enchanted Forest Realm, especially those who are not even part of the Charmings’ kingdom?
had Zelena not intervened and ‘mucked with the formula’, it appears as if the only price that would’ve been paid as a result of casting the Curse was Charming’s death, which is a significant price in and of itself.
What about everyone else who were unwillingly ripped from their lives in the EF and sent to a foreign land? Snow and Charming had no idea whether they could get back to the EF from Storybrooke. They are taking it on faith that they would defeat Zelena and find a way back, and while they have the right to risk themselves (and perhaps, their supporters), they had no right to make that decison for others.
I am wondering how come neither of the Charmings realised how selfish it was to curse the entire realm to save their child. Sure, they had the right to protect their baby, but to drag everyone in the Enchanted Forest (including people from other kingdoms) into their fight? That seems close to what a villain would do (e.g. what Regina said about everything else being collateral damage).
Maybe Henry inherited some of Emma’s Savior-ness? Or maybe TLK from a former villian is much more powerful than a TLK from a straight-out hero because it is much rarer.
And maybe Emma’s kiss didn’t work because in her heart she secretly didn’t want Henry to regain his memories. She was still hoping that after everything is over she could take him back to New York and leave behind the fairy tale world.
