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[RumplesGirl]

know Hook’s past crimes so far haven’t been dealt with directly, but I’m not buying this “Hook the hero” thing for one second. As I wrote above, I think Hook hasn’t really been shown to be a “man of honor” this season. I actually think the writers have subtly been showing why he’s lacking honor (e.g. expecting a sexual favor from Emma for getting Charming the water versus Neal telling his dad to help out Charming without expecting any favors because it’s the right thing to do)

Oh I wholeheartedly agree with you, but we’re on the same ship and have the same mindset. He’s not a hero in my eyes. Everything he has done with this season has been with the intention of getting Emma to see him as a hero, but it’s a false heroism. I just really need someone, ANYONE, to say to Hook: “um, you left Emma in jail to die, denied her the chance to get home (*cough* most important theme to Emma *cough*), shot Henry’s future grandmother, and then left the town to die.” I need someone to call him on his false mourning for Baelfire since it has become painfully obvious that it was all a set up. (grumble, grumble. wasted storyline). I think he is subtlety being written as an obsessed pirate who has no idea what good form really is. It just sucks that Adam keeps saying on Twitter that Neal does have to apologize for his actions to Emma (mostly to VERY loud CSers) and ect but yet neither he nor the show has yet to address Hook’s actions. (At this point I think the marketing teams of ABC is leaning on them but maybe I’m just paranoid).

Like I said, I completely agree that Hook is not a hero and is actually being written as getting worse with every episode (307 really sold that) but the double standard of “Neal’s continued mea culpa to Emma” and “Hook is a hero who does all good things!” is rather taxing.

 

[Slurpeez]

I think the nerves we are feeling has a lot to do with how Hook is being presented this season, like this radical departure from what he was supposed to be: a villain. And with all his crimes being swept under the rug episode after episode and still managing to get a kiss and have “heart to hearts” with Emma….well it makes me nervous, except when I break down his actions and it becomes clear that Hook isn’t exactly on the level.

I get that a lot of CS fans are singing Hook’s praises, but if anything, I think  the writers have subtly been painting him as a man who wants honor but doesn’t quite know how to get it. He goes on a mission to save Henry, not because he cares about the boy’s welfare, but because he wants to win Emma. He tries to “bond” with Emma over Neal’s death and Emma’s loss of hope to win her approval. He saves Charming only to garner a kiss out of Emma. Contrast this with Neal who loves his boy and would do anything to save him, even sacrifice his own life. Neal’s reaction to Emma choosing her son was to affirm her decision and then to fight along side her to save their son. Neal told Rumple to offer Charming an elixir, free of charge, because it’s the “right thing to do” rather than to get a favor from Emma like Hook did the kiss. Who, may I ask, is the real man of honor here? It certainly isn’t Hook, who despite claiming Neal to be a “good friend” of his, still knowingly goes after the woman whom Neal loves and rubs it in his face. After centuries, Hook really hasn’t learned anything about doing the honorable thing since he seduced another man’s wife and in so doing helped destroy a little boy’s family. Centuries later and Hook is still intent on doing the selfish thing by trying to come between Neal and his desire to form a new family with Emma and Henry . I’d say the writers are showing Hook in a bad light, and that CS fans have huge blinders on.

Slurpeez108 wrote: While this would be a sad development indeed, I hope you all aren’t giving up hope just when Adam was telling us SF fans to keep hope alive.

No white flag, I promise. But to be fair…Adam tells EVERY ship to have hope. HookedQueen, WoodenSwan. All of them have gotten the “hope!” tweet.

I realize that Adam tells everyone to have hope, and that at a certain point, it can become false hope for the likes of WoodenSwan since August is now a little boy. BUT those ships were never “canon” on the show. Telling SF fans to have hope has real, actual bearing because Emma and Neal love each other. To quote Henry, “in the book, things always look worse right before there’s good news.”

Like I said, it’s the sweeping of Hook’s crimes, that only happened a week ago, under the rug while reinforcing Neal’s selfless actions (but the negativity of them) over and over. Emma’s thinking that Neal didn’t love her all those years, Emma wishing he were dead so that she wouldn’t have to face her feelings. Emma has yet to address the : Hook leaving her in jail, Hook torturing Archie, Hook shooting Belle, Hook working with the people who kidnapped her son, and Hook leaving them all to die. And I’m starting to wonder if the show will EVER address them because they are on this whole “Hook the hero” thing.

I know Hook’s past crimes so far haven’t been dealt with directly, but I’m not buying this “Hook the hero” thing for one second. As I wrote above, I think Hook hasn’t really been shown to be a “man of honor” this season. I actually think the writers have subtly been showing why he’s lacking honor (e.g. expecting a sexual favor from Emma for getting Charming the water versus Neal telling his dad to help out Charming without expecting any favors because it’s the right thing to do). Also, as far as Emma’s feelings for Neal go, she’s affirmed twice since being in Neverland that she never stopped loving him, that she does, and that she probably always will. Sure, she has deeply rooted abandonment issues and resentment towards both her parents and Neal at present, but that is to be expected at this stage and it’s totally in keeping with her character since it takes her a long time to work through things. All throughout season 1, Emma was the skeptic who kept everyone, including Henry, at arms’ length. She never wanted to let anyone who could hurt her, and she told August she didn’t want anyone to need her. She even tried to skip town so she wouldn’t have to face her role as the savior, and she probably would’ve had it not been for Henry taking measures into his own hands by eating the apple turnover. As he said,” You’re just scared. This happens to all heroes. It’s just the low moment before you fight back.” Emma’s tendency had always been to look out for herself so as not to get hurt. Emma has HUGE abandonment issues and is scared of emotional vulnerability. Yet, when Henry nearly died from an apple turnover she believed in the curse and embraced her role as a mother, and hence, as a savior.

Emma may be overcoming her emotional limits to fight for Henry, but she still has the tendency to run from things that scare her. If and when Emma decides to pursue things with Hook, I think it would be taking the easy way out so as not to face her own issues. Somehow it’s almost easier for Emma to overlook the sins of people who aren’t emotionally close to her (e.g. Regina, Rumple, and Hook), than it is to emotionally forgive the people who love her yet have abandoned her (even if that reason was to let her go to be the savior). As the saying goes, “the ones closest to us hurt us the most.” Emma still has a long way to go before embracing her role as a daughter and as Neal’s true love since even though they love her deeply, they hurt her. Yet, this show is about mending relationships and overcoming fractured family ties. I have every faith that once Emma stops running, she realize that things with Hook aren’t right. She’ll realize that she’s “taking the easy way out” by dating Hook, and she’ll eventually start to work through her abandonment issues with both her parents and Neal. That is why I believe Hook is just another wall to hide behind, but she’ll eventually realize that and then come to see the true love her parents and Neal have to offer her.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Big ole’ WORD to what slurpeez said! *applause*

[RumplesGirl]

While this would be a sad development indeed, I hope you all aren’t giving up hope just when Adam was telling us SF fans to keep hope alive.

No white flag, I promise.

But to be fair…Adam tells EVERY ship to have hope. HookedQueen, WoodenSwan. All of them have gotten the “hope!” tweet.

Like I said, it’s the sweeping of Hook’s crimes, that only happened a week ago, under the rug while reinforcing Neal’s selfless actions (but the negativity of them) over and over. Emma’s thinking that Neal didn’t love her all those years, Emma wishing he were dead so that she wouldn’t have to face her feelings. Emma has yet to address the : Hook leaving her in jail, Hook torturing Archie, Hook shooting Belle, Hook working with the people who kidnapped her son, and Hook leaving them all to die. And I’m starting to wonder if the show will EVER address them because they are on this whole “Hook the hero” thing.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

If they’re really going to address the situation with Neal leaving and Emma ending up  in jail, and not rewrite it, then that’s good.  If they rewrite so it was “Neal sent her to jail” or “He could have stayed but was a coward and afraid for himself”–which previously they said on twitter was not the case….well, then its going to tell me they’ve flipped completely for CS.   That’s a huge sort of retcon, and it wouldn’t be the first one of the show.

I really am failing to see where all of this fear for Neal as a character is coming from. Maybe the popularity of CS on social media gets some people down, I understand, but it’s not as if Adam and Eddy are suddenly going to completely tarnish Neal’s moral fibers just to elevate CS. As you say, that would be horrible writing and untrue to he spirit of Neal. Just because he hasn’t been spotted filming outdoors for a week doesn’t mean he’s going to be denigrated. I really don’t even think that CS are even a legit couple by 3×12. We know there is a new curse arriving in SB, whose effects we still don’t know. For all we know, Emma is cursed to have bad taste in plaid pants and pirates. She might not be in her right mind. Also, we know that Emma, Hook and Henry have been spotted in NYC at a police department. What draw do those characters have to NYC? I think they’re on a mission involving Neal. 

The scenes of Regina with baby Henry seem like they’re going to forget originally there was supposed to be a hole in her heart from the curse and that she didn’t have real maternal warmth, so much as pride and control over someone, the way Cora was with her.  I don’t know, but I guess I’m going to feel nervous about how they tackle things in this new “villain as heroes” era.

We haven’t even seen 3×9 yet, so it’s hard to say with any degree of certainty at this stage how Regina is going to handle being a first-time mother. Maybe Regina realizes that motherhood isn’t all she thought it would be since she looks pretty flustered in those promo pics. We might get some cute moments of Regina trying to figure out how to diaper a baby boy or trying to sooth his cries. Regina has always cared for Henry, changed every diaper and soothed every fever. Her ability to care for her son materially has never been called into question, but I  don’t think Regina will be sugar-coated as “Mother of the Year”  in 3×9. If anything, I think this upcoming episode might underscore how Regina wanted to fill the hole in her heart by adoption but discovers that despite her best intent, not even having a baby is enough to fill the void in her life.

I have some hope that they started off this season with Neal using magic, and saying he loves Emma, doesn’t own her, then telling her she doesn’t have to apologize ever.  Then they had him say he’ll fight for her.  It felt like they were tackling all the troll-standard claims of why SF would be bad and for each one sort of saying, nope.

That is exactly why I don’t see the writers doing an about face on Neal’s character. He’s been showing a lot of upward momentum in S3, so unless he gets cursed with a false identity as Belle did in “Lacey” I don’t see Neal suddenly becoming a piggish brute of a man. Even if Neal were to be cursed with a fake identity, it wouldn’t really be Neal; it’d just be MRJ playing another person other than Neal so any bad traits couldn’t really be pinned on Neal as a character.

Yet this is a BIG one, the heart of a lot of the controversy, right next to his relationship with Tamara.    Did he use Emma for selfish reasons?  It’s always been a matter of interpretation, and heated debate.  So if they really go back and revisit, they could swing it whatever suits their current needs in the story.   Everything that happened this season was written months ago, so as fan feedback came in, perhaps they made adjustments, because they did heavily float CS this season.

Again, I’m not sure why you’re fearing the worst here, given everything positive that we’ve heard from Adam via Twitter. Just because some CS fans are loud and obnoxious? If anything, I’m thinking Adam and Eddy are going to show that Neal did NOT leave Emma for completely selfish reasons, but rather, for selfless ones. I think they might revisit the night that Emma went to jail to show that August was the one who called the cops and perhaps to show that bad things really might have befallen Emma had Neal NOT left her.

If this happens then yes, it would mean that they have made a huge retcon for certain fanbases. They keep saying, “we’re telling the story we want to tell.” and to go back on tweets or things they’ve said in the past and rewrite their story…I would be more disappointed in them not sticking to their guns than what was happening on screen.

While this would be a sad development indeed, I hope you all aren’t giving up hope just when Adam was telling us SF fans to keep hope alive. I highly doubt that Neal is about to be rewritten in an unfavorable light just to placate some whiny fans. That would go against the ethos of the show which so far has been showing a theme of second chances and redemption, so to permanently mar a hero would be an absolute anathema to me and is not what they’re doing to Neal.

 

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

i think this talk can come out in the next 3 episodes, and can come out in the way of peter telling Everyone that he was the one that separated emma and neal, by seding her to in order to get to henry, that he knew would be born of both of them. And that he was the one, or maybe the darling brothers telling August that neal was bae.and by telling that tamara was working for him and how he knew about her. the produter told barbara barnett that most story lines of this 1st part will be Anwser until, 11, maybe the only story line that continues is the triangle, but according the latest twites of jane about neal in the 2part being spoiler, the PA that is part of the crew saying that MrJ still didn’t film for episode 12, makes me think that this is the weirdest triangle in the story, where the girl only have scenes with one of the man.

At the time of the Lightening Round interview, they were filming 312 and apparently 313 script was finished (Sean Maguire tweeted that he had read it and it’s amazing) so I really think that this interview can be about anything from 309-313. I sorta doubt that Emma’s time in jail comes up *before* the climax of the first half of the season, the ending of PP. It might come up right after, but for right now we’re focused on Pan.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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Not calling you crazy, because I agree… but how will Emma feel [about her parents’ reactions] when this part of the puzzle clicks? I mean, we’ve seen her anger at being sent off to jail because “Pinnochio told you to!” aimed at Nealfire. Even though it has all worked out in the long run (sort of!) that’s still a harsh means to an end.

And it would elaborate more on the theme of the season: the Lost Girl. She knows why her parents sent her through the wardrobe tree portal, but that doesn’t lessen the pain of her lifetime of abandonment.

JMo said recently that Emma is having to re-learn her own history. She’s discovering that things she believed, which had formed a major part of who she believed herself to be, were actually misconceptions. That’s gonna do your head in a bit and take some time to adjust to, especially considering that the truth Emma has to readjust to involves magic and fairytales and whatnot.

[RumplesGirl]

All this talk about Nealfire getting thrown under the bus for CS, makes me a little nervous

I think the nerves we are feeling has a lot to do with how Hook is being presented this season, like this radical departure from what he was supposed to be: a villain. And with all his crimes being swept under the rug episode after episode and still managing to get a kiss and have “heart to hearts” with Emma….well it makes me nervous, except when I break down his actions and it becomes clear that Hook isn’t exactly on the level.

The way they describe Nealfire’s character is that of a hero, so I refuse to believe they would retract their writing of his character and live on without Emma and I really hope that they do not make Neal the bad guy in favor of CS. That would just make them hypocritical of their OWN statements of Nealfire. From the horse’s mouth they said that Nealfire’s actions towards Emma was self-sacrifice. “TRUE LOVE = SACRIFICE” ~ David

Yes!

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[lunatiger]

All this talk about Nealfire getting thrown under the bus for CS, makes me a little nervous but I found this old ET interview with Adam and Eddy from season 2. The way they describe Nealfire’s character is that of a hero, so I refuse to believe they would retract their writing of his character and live on without Emma and I really hope that they do not make Neal the bad guy in favor of CS. That would just make them hypocritical of their OWN statements of Nealfire. From the horse’s mouth they said that Nealfire’s actions towards Emma was self-sacrifice.   “TRUE LOVE = SACRIFICE” ~ David

Hopefully in the next couple of episodes they will address some issues with Emma and Neal even though I know they won’t get them back together right away, at least it will help Emma think things through. Maybe go for Hook a bit (though I cringe at the thought) and realize in the end Neal is her one true love.

This video makes me feel all warm and squishy inside the way A&E talk about Nealfire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9KzRHkVP-c

[kfchimera]

The crew has not officially said (nor would they) who is filming or not.   Paparazi and fans do that, and have limited knowledge.  We just saw scenes last episode of Emma and Neal, and promo shows scene of Emma and Neal in 309 being onscreen.  So there may be a gap of a few episodes (they’re up to 313 maybe?) but it is not like the rest of the season is done already as some people sort of imply.  They frequently part characters to create drama so I don’t think it is unusual at all for how triangles play out as it is not always that they show each episode with equal time with both characters.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass