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Pan only freeeze Neal but let Emma let be playing knave, so that would mean that only Neal is a threat to him. The only one who can open this box maybe. Someone says that the a PANdora box is to much of a coinsedence. So maybe only a Stiltskin can open the box.

I think Pan freezes Neal and tries to freeze Emma, but cannot because she is magical herself and he just isn’t able to. Kinda like when Cora tried to take her heart, but couldn’t. Maybe Emma uses this magic, to get the box from PP.  According to the promo, Neal opens the box while on the ship, which may prove the “blood magic theory”. Also if they have it on the ship, perhaps Emma did get it back with magic, while the others go take Henry to the ship and repair it. Then once the Rumple-in-the-box is acquired they go and meet the rest of the JR ppls including Tink, and some lost boys, and go back to Storybrooke.

[RumplesGirl]

So this to me is that the conversation will only be with Emma and Neal again or perhaps Emma talks to Hook about it. Snow and Charming won’t be tol

I think they left it deliberately vague. Because now, leaving it open like that, the conversation about Emma in jail could be between: Emma and Neal; Neal and Hook; Hook and Emma; Snow and Charming; Charming and Emma; Snow and Emma; Neal and Charming; Snow and Charming; Snow, Charming,and Emma; Snow, Charming, Emma and Hook; Snow Charming Emma and Neal. (and so forth unto infinity is what I’m saying)

We know there will be a conversation but we don’t know who between yet but the possibilities are rather endless right now.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

Well it is always the story they want to tell at the time they do their story camps each season, not the story they originally wanted to tell in their heads when they first started. I bet some of their idealism has fallen away, especially with WL’s demise when they had more hopes for that to do well. So I don’t think they’re going to be sticklers for a vision, especially one that was probably only hastily sketched out due to not knowing rights issues, and how long things would go

Well I agree but I do think there are certain things that stuck. For example, they thought about changing their story so that Neal wasn’t Baelfire because most of the fan base had caught on to that, but they decided to stick with it because it was the story they had from the start (ie: A and E told JMo and Bobby about Baelfire shortly after the pilot)

So if they were to go back and say, “yes Neal sent her to jail because he didn’t love her or he was a coward” then that’s an obvious retraction of previous statements

They don’t have to make Neal a bad guy in order to make Hook the man Emma loves, for love is just something that doesn’t always have to be logical or about who is the “better” person, but about the person that fits you. Rumbelle is the poster child of that, right? Belle could walk into town and meet just about any one who’d be less morally tortured than Rumple, but he’s the man she loves all the same.

They don’t have to make Neal a bad guy in order to make Hook the man Emma loves, for love is just something that doesn’t always have to be logical or about who is the “better” person, but about the person that fits you. Rumbelle is the poster child of that, right? Belle could walk into town and meet just about any one who’d be less morally tortured than Rumple, but he’s the man she loves all the same.

I agree; if Hook is the end love for Emma then OK tell me that story and really sell it to me. But don’t do it by trashing Neal and suddenly going back on what you’ve previously stated while at the same time making the other guy look like a White Knight. It would scream fanservice to me

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[swanning-off]

Yes, I’m glad this won’t be swept under the rug. Call me crazy, but I think Charming and Snow would actually understand Neal if they knew his reason was to get Emma home and to let her be the savior since it’s the same reason David and Snow let Emma go through the wardrobe.

Not calling you crazy, because I agree… but how will Emma feel [about her parents’ reactions] when this part of the puzzle clicks? I mean, we’ve seen her anger at being sent off to jail because “Pinnochio told you to!” aimed at Nealfire. Even though it has all worked out in the long run (sort of!) that’s still a harsh means to an end.

And it would elaborate more on the theme of the season: the Lost Girl. She knows why her parents sent her through the wardrobe tree portal, but that doesn’t lessen the pain of her lifetime of abandonment.

[kfchimera]

Well it is always the  story they want to tell at the time they do their story camps each season, not the story they originally wanted to tell in their heads when they first started.    I bet some of their idealism has fallen away, especially with WL’s demise when they had more hopes for that to do well.   So I don’t think they’re going to be sticklers for a vision, especially one that was probably only hastily sketched out due to not knowing rights issues, and how long things would go.

If SF is not their choice, whether now or from start of S2, then at the least I want the writing of it to play out with what they hinted in the show, and confirmed as their interpretation out of the show.

They don’t have to make Neal a bad guy in order to make Hook the man Emma loves, for love is just something that doesn’t always have to be logical or about who is the “better” person, but about the person that fits you.  Rumbelle is the poster child of that, right? Belle could walk into town and meet just about any one who’d be less morally tortured than Rumple, but he’s the man she loves all the same.

Especially if they’re going into “Dark Emma” territory, then it could be that is something that creates a divide between Neal and Emma but a bridge between Hook and Emma as he might not feel as wary of it.   If Emma herself changes from who I thought she was in S1/S2, then maybe Hook would fit with her better.   In stories, anything can shift.

Bottom line, I don’t want Neal’s character trashed so a ship can be pushed, because that’s not good writing.   Having Neal pull a Katherine or something, well I’d be sad for SF but I wouldn’t be mad about the writing of it.     So when it comes to the  bit about Neal’s past behavior though, well I will feel lied to if suddenly we go from :

@tutusunshine @KDW3000 @fictorium Neal never sent her to jail. Not what happened. And MRJ understands his character better than anyone.

— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) May 3, 2013

to he did it for kicks, so they can make Hook look like a better guy.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[HappyEndings]

Will Snow and Charming (Josh Dallas) find out about Neal (Michael Raymond-James) sending Emma to jail?
Horowitz: Neal sending Emma to jail comes up again and is dealt with.

So this to me is that the conversation will only be with Emma and Neal again or perhaps Emma talks to Hook about it. Snow and Charming won’t be told.

Are we ever going to see Pinocchio (Eion Bailey) again?
Kitsis and Horowitz: Yes.

Still like to know how August found SB, if the town was covered and no one saw or knew its exist.

[kfchimera]

As Matthew Paul said, there’s a lot to tell with August that was sort of swept under the rug as well, but if they only mean kid August, they may not get into it or need to get into it to address what happened with Neal and Emma in the past.

I forgot to cry about TinkerMomma!  There was such a beautiful potential story there, that the only thing to console me is that if the Spinner-Fate-Rumple Momma works, then Tinkermomma would have been redundant and kind of odd.

Then again, it’s sad not to know more about Belle’s family either, but I suppose we should see Charming’s dad first.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

KFChimera wrote: If they’re really going to address the situation with Neal leaving and Emma ending up  in jail, and not rewrite it, then that’s good.  If they rewrite so it was “Neal sent her to jail” or “He could have stayed but was a coward and afraid for himself”–which previously they said on twitter was not the case….well, then its going to tell me they’ve flipped completely for CS.   That’s a huge sort of retcon, and it wouldn’t be the first one of the show.

If this happens then yes, it would mean that they have made a huge retcon for certain fanbases. They keep saying, “we’re telling the story we want to tell.” and to go back on tweets or things they’ve said in the past and rewrite their story…I would be more disappointed in them not sticking to their guns than what was happening on screen. 

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

So I’m wondering if 312 might be the August/Neal flashback to the “Tallahassee incident.” And if we’re right that Neal is incarcerated for the disappearance of Tamara ( I know…controversial theory) then it might parallel nicely: Emma trying to get Neal out of jail while he and August send her TO jail.

Yes, that would actually be a good thing to see! It was hinted in Lightning Round 9 that we’d see flashbacks of Neal’s life prior to “Manhattan” as well as see August again.

So that’s why it will be a relief to see their reaction actually clarified in canon, so the speculation and debating can end.

Yes, will be good to have that issue out in the open, one way or another. We’re supposed to get some Emma/Charming heart-to-hearts soon, according to Adam Horowitz via Twitter. I’m wondering if Charming and Emma talk about this very issue since Snow and Charming made the same decision to put Emma in the wardrobe to save them  as Neal did by letting Emma go to break his father’s dark curse, thereby getting her home.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[kfchimera]

I  think some answers are going to be getting clearer very soon though, based on those spoilers.

If they’re really going to address the situation with Neal leaving and Emma ending up  in jail, and not rewrite it, then that’s good.  If they rewrite so it was “Neal sent her to jail” or “He could have stayed but was a coward and afraid for himself”–which previously they said on twitter was not the case….well, then its going to tell me they’ve flipped completely for CS.   That’s a huge sort of retcon, and it wouldn’t be the first one of the show.

  The scenes of Regina with baby Henry seem like they’re going to forget originally there was supposed to be a hole in her heart from the curse and that she didn’t have real maternal warmth, so much as pride and control over someone, the way Cora was with her.  I don’t know, but I guess I’m going to feel nervous about how they tackle things in this new “villain as heroes” era.

I have some hope that they started off this season with Neal using magic, and saying he loves Emma, doesn’t own her, then telling her she doesn’t have to apologize ever.  Then they had him say he’ll fight for her.  It felt like they were tackling all the troll-standard claims of why SF would be bad and for each one sort of saying, nope.

Yet this is a BIG one, the heart of a lot of the controversy, right next to his relationship with Tamara.    Did he use Emma for selfish reasons?  It’s always been a matter of interpretation, and heated debate.  So if they really go back and revisit, they could swing it whatever suits their current needs in the story.   Everything that happened this season was written months ago, so as fan feedback came in, perhaps they made adjustments, because they did heavily float CS this season.  

I’ve always based my assumptions of  SF working on the notion that  Neal didn’t ever do anything cowardly to hurt Emma on purpose.  He left for what I thought was good reason.  He did it in a way that maybe had flaws but we could understand perhaps was required by the urgency and complicated nature of a magical curse that needed to be broken.  I trusted that Neal trusted August and that it was not obvious to him he shouldn’t believe him.  So I don’t know.  The jail storyline could come up in different ways.  It could just be dialog between Neal and Emma.  I’d rather we have flashbacks though because I want to see that Neal didn’t call the cops, perhaps even that he didn’t know about the jail.  I suppose whatever he did, well, its still all over with now but it does speak to his character back then.

  If Pinocchio does die because all the magic is ripped out of SB, that might be one way to have a new curse.  His “death” might prompt discussion of how Neal knew him and all that.  The other thing is, they actually do the thing a lot of fans want, and bring back August.  If Malcom comes back from Pan, maybe there’s a ripple effect and we get back August so that was why the hat was floating in a spoiler picture.  If they’re listening to fans, then bringing back August was a big one.  If so, August might back up Neal’s story and confess he called the cops or something.  The last way I think is just pure flashbacks with the NY jail story we think they might do.  As we see Neal in present being incarcerated for a crime he didn’t quite commit it would make perfect sense to pair that with who set Emma up for jail–perhaps the same people who helped set her on the path to being a bailbondswoman too!  .

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass