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December 1, 2014 at 5:46 pm #291922
WickedRegal
ParticipantI think Regina would’ve still ended up casting the dark curse even if she had met Robin that night. Something would’ve happened to course correct. Perhaps that is why Blue Fairy took Tinkerbell’s wings? Tink interfered with fate/destiny and that is a very serious thing for a fairy to do?
Technically she wouldn’t have….her fate was to be a hero and be happy. It was Zelena’s fate to cast the curse as she was the one who was originally prophesied by Rumple to be Cora’s first born, and I guess when you look at it…it was Robin and Regina’s child who was probably would have been the savior, but we all know Cora screwed all of that up when she gave Zelena away!
But yeah…had Regina met Robin Hood, like I said above, her and Robin would have been on the run from King Leopold, which I still think would have made her make a deal with the Sorcerer in order to save Robin’s life to undo their meeting, and just succumb to her villainous fate. Sacrificing her happy ending for her soul mate is what I think Regina did now, something I think she’ll learn at the end of Operation Mongoose.
Blue took Tink’s wings because she didn’t want any fairy helping Cora’s daughter/Rumple’s apprentice…let Blue tell it, there was no hope for Regina! God I hope that Shady Blue ***** stays stuck in that hat! She could’ve at least tried!!! And please don’t get me started on anyone interfering with fate and destiny, because Emma Swan did that, and look at the chaos it’s wrought upon Storybrooke.
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December 1, 2014 at 4:21 pm #291909PriceofMagic
ParticipantII. How is he annoying just for checking up on the woman that he loves? A curse that’s heading to turn everyone against each other…and he’s just supposed to not make sure Regina isn’t somewhere having a nervous breakdown? I guess that makes Hook annoying for checking on Emma at the Sherriff Station too…or Rumple annoying for sealing Belle off in his shop.
Rumple and Hook both knew they had to steer clear of their loved ones once the spell was cast but both had different motives for being there. Rumple had to get Belle out of the diner and into the shop, once she was there he left her. Hook wanted to see Emma one last time before the spell was cast because he knew Rumple was going to kill him. After a quick kiss and goodbye he left her. Robin’s grand plan was to stay WITH Regina once the spell was cast. Robin is not the brightest bulb in the box.
And to answer the question, the right minded man would understand that his wife died over 30 years ago, and that the woman who murdered her was a completely different woman than the one before….Robin let go of the past, and is focusing on who Regina is now instead of who she once was…sorta like how Belle and Emma are doing for Rumple and Hook.
Regina is still the same woman that murdered Marian, she just has her homicidal tendencies under control now. I’m not saying that Regina’s past has to be held against her for all of eternity. I’m not saying that Robin could never ever forgive Regina for murdering Marian. The point is Robin found out his current squeeze murdered his wife whom he even referred to as “beloved” and he doesn’t even bat an eyelid. That is completely unrealistic even within the realms of the show. At least show him trying to reconcile that fact before he decides to pursue his relationship. At the moment 4A has made Robin come off as very unfeeling towards Marian.
But I think when Regina does find the Sorcerer, she’s going to learn that it was her who altered the course of her life because as the picture showed…her and Robin did meet back at the Tavern, and I think the fact Robin’s life being in danger because King Leopold was hunting them led Regina to make a deal with the Sorcerer to undo it all to keep Robin alive. And she did so knowingly that she’d end up becoming a villain. Meaning Regina would have made the ultimate sacrifice, saving Robin’s life but dooming her own. I think that’s what she’ll learn upon meeting the Sorcerer, but as we’ve been shown, her second chance came right back around to her, and she finally took it!
I think Regina would’ve still ended up casting the dark curse even if she had met Robin that night. Something would’ve happened to course correct. Perhaps that is why Blue Fairy took Tinkerbell’s wings? Tink interfered with fate/destiny and that is a very serious thing for a fairy to do?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixDecember 1, 2014 at 3:55 pm #291904WickedRegal
ParticipantMixed The first OQ scene in the forest- Surprisingly, I kind of liked the forest scene, you could see how Regina and Robin’s relationship could be and could almost ship it if….and it’s a big if…..if it wasn’t for the Marian factor. It is not Marian’s fault at all, it’s the writers fault. Why they chose to have Regina murder Marian then pair her up with the spouse of her victim, god only knows. If they’d just left Regina clear of Marian’s death, whilst the whole adultery aspect of OQ would still be wrong, it wouldn’t be as morally wrong as it currently is.
Least Favourite The second OQ scene at Regina’s office- Robin is annoying, just by the fact that he will not leave Regina alone. Robin has come out pretty badly in 4A, and again it all comes down to the Marian factor. What man in his right mind would date the woman that murdered his wife and not find that even a little bit off-putting?
Operation Mongoose being brought up- The whole plot is flawed. The idea that the book made Regina a villain instead of her own actions and choices is wrong. Regina has always blamed others even when she’s at fault but right now she seems to be in denial that she has any culpability at all. The “poor me” routine never suited Regina and the sooner she gets out of that mind set, the better.
I. Indeed it is the writer’s fault, but OutlawQueen was so perfect, they probably didn’t know no other way how to tear them apart.
II. How is he annoying just for checking up on the woman that he loves? A curse that’s heading to turn everyone against each other…and he’s just supposed to not make sure Regina isn’t somewhere having a nervous breakdown? I guess that makes Hook annoying for checking on Emma at the Sherriff Station too…or Rumple annoying for sealing Belle off in his shop.
And to answer the question, the right minded man would understand that his wife died over 30 years ago, and that the woman who murdered her was a completely different woman than the one before….Robin let go of the past, and is focusing on who Regina is now instead of who she once was…sorta like how Belle and Emma are doing for Rumple and Hook.

III. Well, technically Regina does hold some right to blame others for how her life turned out, but we’re not going to delve off into that. And if we think about it from her perspective….her life has been screwed over in more times than one, and Regina was grasping at straws for a reason why her happy endings never work out, and it lead her to the book, which as we see does play a heavy part in influencing the outcome of their lives I guess.
But I think when Regina does find the Sorcerer, she’s going to learn that it was her who altered the course of her life because as the picture showed…her and Robin did meet back at the Tavern, and I think the fact Robin’s life being in danger because King Leopold was hunting them led Regina to make a deal with the Sorcerer to undo it all to keep Robin alive. And she did so knowingly that she’d end up becoming a villain. Meaning Regina would have made the ultimate sacrifice, saving Robin’s life but dooming her own. I think that’s what she’ll learn upon meeting the Sorcerer, but as we’ve been shown, her second chance came right back around to her, and she finally took it!
Either that happened or the picture below happened:

#WhatDidRumpleDo?
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
December 1, 2014 at 3:36 pm #291902PriceofMagic
ParticipantI loved this episode, this should’ve been the 2 hour one.
Favourite
Snow- I liked Snow this episode especially her line “It’s Elsa’s blind faith that is screwing us” and the fact that she agreed with Regina that sometimes someone has to lose. Also she actually gave Neal to Emma.
Regina- I liked Regina this episode especially when she called the Charmings out and told them to lead. Her scenes with Snow were full of snark, just the way I like them.
Anna- I liked Anna this episode especially when she was trying to guess Blackbeard’s weight and she even asked him how much he weighed. I think the writers had Anna right this episode. Previously, she’d been too cartoony and it didn’t fit the show so she was irritating. However, this episode the level was right and she wasn’t too cartoony but was still respectful to the animated character.
Kristoff- Kristoff is adorable and I liked how he was trying to lift Anna’s spirits when she was resigning herself to die.
Belle- Belle got stuff to do this episode even if it was just helping the fairies. Question: Why didn’t they come up with the magical solution before the shattered sight spell was cast? They knew it was a possibility. PPPCFTH- Prior Planning Prevents Curses From Taking Hold.
Rumple- I like how clever he’s being with his plan, I like how he wouldn’t leave Belle or Henry behind and made a deal for their passage out of Storybrooke. You just know it’s going to blow up in his face though. He wants everything, and as he told Regina in season 2, you can’t have everything. I am both excited and nervous for the next two episodes because Belle has got to find out soon and it is going to be so heart breaking when she does. I liked how they kept the continuity of Rumple’s hate for the fairies and how he called them “pious fleas”. Hook only sucked up the nuns. What about other nun fairies such as Tinkerbell and Nova?
Elsa choosing Anna over saving the town- So many things at play here. If Elsa didn’t do what she did by taking the necklace, then Anna and Kristoff would be dead so she made the right call. Secondly, Elsa actually gave the Charmings a taste of their own medicine. Elsa saved HER Family, everyone else be damned. How many times have the Charmings saved THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS, everyone else be damned? Season 2 finale, 3B, etc.
The frozen flashbacks are finally over- At last.
Mixed
The first OQ scene in the forest- Surprisingly, I kind of liked the forest scene, you could see how Regina and Robin’s relationship could be and could almost ship it if….and it’s a big if…..if it wasn’t for the Marian factor. It is not Marian’s fault at all, it’s the writers fault. Why they chose to have Regina murder Marian then pair her up with the spouse of her victim, god only knows. If they’d just left Regina clear of Marian’s death, whilst the whole adultery aspect of OQ would still be wrong, it wouldn’t be as morally wrong as it currently is.
Least Favourite
The second OQ scene at Regina’s office- Robin is annoying, just by the fact that he will not leave Regina alone. Robin has come out pretty badly in 4A, and again it all comes down to the Marian factor. What man in his right mind would date the woman that murdered his wife and not find that even a little bit off-putting?
Operation Mongoose being brought up- The whole plot is flawed. The idea that the book made Regina a villain instead of her own actions and choices is wrong. Regina has always blamed others even when she’s at fault but right now she seems to be in denial that she has any culpability at all. The “poor me” routine never suited Regina and the sooner she gets out of that mind set, the better.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixDecember 1, 2014 at 3:16 pm #291901In reply to: SEASON 4 SPOILERS – FIRST SEGMENTS
nonnie
Participanthttp://www.spoilertv.com/2014/12/once-upon-time-episode-410-shattered_1.html
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THE SNOW QUEEN’S SPELL OF SHATTERED SIGHT HAS DESCENDED UPON THE TOWN, CAN EMMA AND ELSA DESTROY THE CURSE BEFORE STORYBROOKE DESTROYS ITSELF?, ON ABC’S “ONCE UPON A TIME”Elizabeth Mitchell (“Lost”) Guest Stars as the Snow Queen
“Shattered Sight” – Storybrooke is in a state of chaos with all the residents under the Snow Queen’s Spell of Shattered Sight at each other’s throats.
Emma and Elsa race against the clock to free themselves of the ribbons and take down the Snow Queen and her curse.
David can only watch when Regina clashes with Mary Margaret in an epic battle.
Meanwhile, Gold gathers Belle and Henry as he prepares to leave town forever, and
Will Scarlet looks to square his tab with Hook.
Kristoff’s thick-headedness leads Anna to a heartwarming discovery, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, DECEMBER 7 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
“Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as the Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David Nolan, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry, Michael Socha as Will Scarlet and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.
Guest stars include Lee Arenberg as Leroy/Grumpy, Beverley Elliott as Granny, Georgina Haig as Elsa, Elizabeth Lail as Anna, Scott Michael Foster as Kristoff, David-Paul Grove as Doc, Gabe Khouth as Mr. Clark/Sneezy, Faustino Di Bauda as Walter/Sleepy, Jeffrey Kaiser as Dopey, Michael Coleman as Happy, Mig Macario as Bashful, Rebecca Wisocky as Madame Faustina, Ilias Webb as Kevin, Abby Ross as Young Emma and Elizabeth Mitchell as the Snow Queen.
“Shattered Sight” was written by Scott Nimerfro and Tze Chun, and directed by Gwyneth Horder-Payton.
December 1, 2014 at 2:35 pm #291896In reply to: 410 Press Release
Felie
ParticipantLooks like we’ll be seeing more of Emma’s past. Kevin was the one that took the camera off of Emma in the children’s home.
I’ve been waiting for that. I want to see how Emma came to like Ingrid so much, since I’m sure that will give us a glimpse of her reverting back to her old self (before her deal with Rumple).
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"December 1, 2014 at 2:32 pm #291895In reply to: 410 Press Release
PriceofMagic
ParticipantLooks like we’ll be seeing more of Emma’s past. Kevin was the one that took the camera off of Emma in the children’s home.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixDecember 1, 2014 at 12:11 pm #291872In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
RumplesGirl
KeymasterI just want to point out that Emma is immune to the Curse, meaning she’s NOT going to be seeing Hook in “the real light” because of the Curse. So any hopes that she would see the worst in Hook (ie: what he’s done to get the label of villain long ago is gone). And with his heart missing, he even has an excuse for Nun Massacre.
So Hook gets off free from all his crimes.
Lily Sparks review is excellent
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 1, 2014 at 11:38 am #291862In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
Slurpeez
ParticipantSo I watched this episode, and surprisingly I didn’t hate it. Illogical plot and rehashed curses aside, I actually found my eyes misting up in the sister reunion scene (something I didn’t expect). Despite the snowflake necklace being a wishing-star plot-device, I actually really got teary-eyed over it, because it was born of true love, and when Elsa wished upon it, Anna appeared on a beach, commemorated by a rainbow-beam burst. I realized that scene was actually everything I wished for Emma and Neal finding their Tallahassee using the swan necklace. *sigh*
Of course, I’m not expecting that to mean anything, especially not after the way Emma said a teary goodbye to Hook. That, plus Blackbeard is magically alive, so yeah, it looks like in spite of Hook’s attempted murder of BB, Hook is once again off the er, hook. Everything bad Hook did before his heart was taken will be hidden, while everything he did while Rumple had his heart will be brought to light. And Emma will forgive all because Hook will say “the crocodile made made me.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
December 1, 2014 at 11:18 am #291857In reply to: Rumple: Getting away with it?
Cinders
ParticipantThere’s also the theory that Rumple is NOT against the residents of Storybrook. Rumple may have wanted Emma in the hat to protect her against a dangerous, cursed Hook. But, since Emma chose not to use the hat, Rumple had to go with plan B, which was to remove Hook’s heart, thereby making him immune from the curse, which would, in turn, save Emma from cursed Pirate Hook.
He needs the hat to save himself from the dagger, which is why he sucked up the fairies, but he may be depending on Emma, Elsa to save the town.
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