The Captain Swan thread!

[obisgirl]

I get you on the TLK thing- When Emma kissed Graham, he got his memories back- so she broke the curse on him & yet there was no ‘whoosh of rainbow light’  

I don’t think that was a true love’s kiss for a couple reasons.  One,  I don’t think it was a true love connection between Emma and Graham. I think it was as Henry said.  If the huntsman hadn’t saved Snow,  she wouldn’t have had Emma.  I think they were connected in that way.  Plus, I don’t think Emma was around Graham long enough to feel true love towards him.  And there was no rainbow effect that happened.

Hook and Emma’s kiss in (A Curious Thing) is a bit more complicated because there was a rainbow effect that happened, but Adam and Eddy have said it wasn’t true love’s kiss.  Okay, what is kissing though? It’s when one set of lips meets another pair. Same could be said for giving CPR, because you do you have to press your lips to the victim to help them live.

I know giving someone CPR isn’t technically kissing, but I think the way Zelena’s cursed worked, it wouldn’t have mattered one way or another.  Emma touched her lips to Hook’s and therefore, her magic was removed.  And I think the semi-rainbow effect that we saw was Emma’s magic leaving her body, not necessarily the breaking of a curse.

I hope that’s not too confusing for people and it makes sense.

I think when Hook and Emma actually do share true love’s kiss, we’ll be able to look back on that CPR moment and definitely be able to tell the difference.

[Epona_610]

Yeah, it seems to me that Emma’s only confirmed TL is Henry as of right now…I have several theories about why the CPR “kiss” might not have worked from a mechanical perspective (he was technically dead when their lips touched and TLK doesn’t bring back the dead, Zelena’s curse acted as a physical barrier like the gold was to Frederick when Abigail tried to kiss him and bring him back, etc.) but those I will freely admit are crack theories visible only behind very strong shipper goggles, haha. I think it was just a timing thing…TL doesn’t automatically happen; both parties have to come to that conclusion and admit it to themselves–we need only look at the amnesia kisses to know that.

What has nothing to do with shipper goggles or rose-colored glasses though are all of the other things, like those anti-parallel images from several pages back. One person who doesn’t believe in Emma and belittles her concerns versus the someone who does believe in her and takes her seriously. And like I said before, re-watching Manhattan a few weeks ago really makes me wonder how anyone thought that that was a healthy relationship. (I can see how one might be a Neal fan and ship SF, but as an Emma fan? I don’t get it.)

And of course going back even farther, there’s that keychain in Tallahassee (https://oncepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Keychains-Tallahassee-2×06.jpg). It could just be a coincidence, but…I mean, the skull and crossbones (also known as the freaking “Jolly Roger”!) in a heart, in that particular episode? In the episode that shows us how one guy she fell for broke her heart, hurting her so deeply that that betrayal still affected her in the present–ten years later–so that when she feels herself falling for another man she panics and betrays him first? With the pirate-heart keychain right there where Neal is stealing the swan keychain that becomes a symbol of that betrayal? I don’t know what made me think of that recently, and I assume it’s been discussed here before in the hundreds of pages that I wasn’t here for, but it kinda fits a little too well to be some sort of happy accident.

[callmeLola]

In case anyone’s looking for that same skull/crossbones keychain, I got mine at WalMart 🙂

[obisgirl]

YTL doesn’t automatically happen; both parties have to come to that conclusion and admit it to themselves–we need only look at the amnesia kisses to know that.

I agree.  Snow needed to be moved (emotionally), to feel something towards him in order for TLK to work and restore her memories in Heart of Darkness.

And like I said before, re-watching Manhattan a few weeks ago really makes me wonder how anyone thought that that was a healthy relationship. (I can see how one might be a Neal fan and ship SF, but as an Emma fan? I don’t get it.)

I know, right?  You might be able to defend from Neal’s point of view, but certainly not from Emma’s.  And she’s the one who is most important to any ‘ship where she’s involved.

[Jenna_B]

Argh, I had an answer all typed out and then I lost it!  So…in summary – I agree with all of the last few pages!

In regard to TLK – honestly, I don’t care when or even if we ever see it with CS.  Because their story is about the journey and the journey has been a fantastic ride – one I think is going to get even better.  A SFer once attempted to point out how upset I’d be if I never got proof about CS – as in, a TLK.  To which I responded I wouldn’t be upset at all because their story is why I watch.  I don’t need proof in the form of TLK or some 3rd party indicating CS are soulmates because that’s not what’s important to me.  CS’ TL doesn’t need to be proven to me.   (I don’t think the ‘accuser’ was thrilled with that response, but I digress…)

[surayya]

One,  I don’t think it was a true love connection between Emma and Graham. I think it was as Henry said.  If the huntsman hadn’t saved Snow,  she wouldn’t have had Emma.  I think they were connected in that way.  Plus, I don’t think Emma was around Graham long enough to feel true love towards him.  And there was no rainbow effect that happened.

Maybe I should have worded my post better- this was my point, Emma broke the ‘Curse’s’ effects on Graham & there was no whoosh effect- yet there has been on every other curse breakage, however each of those curse breakages has involved TLK (that I can remember), so how do we know if it’s TLK or the curse breakage that actually creates the whoosh effect? Or does it only happen when TL breaks a curse? That was more my point 🙂

 

Hook and Emma’s kiss in (A Curious Thing) is a bit more complicated because there was a rainbow effect that happened, but Adam and Eddy have said it wasn’t true love’s kiss.  Okay, what is kissing though? It’s when one set of lips meets another pair. Same could be said for giving CPR, because you do you have to press your lips to the victim to help them live.

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TL doesn’t automatically happen; both parties have to come to that conclusion and admit it to themselves–we need only look at the amnesia kisses to know that.

& this is where it gets complicated, we know Hook “truly loves” Emma (other wise why try TLK in NY), we know Emma has been fighting her feelings for Killy (hence all the pushing away & snark combined with her ‘come hither’ looks & body language), so in that moment did Emma’s walls actually drop enough for her to realise she “truly loved” Killy & while not a “kiss” as such (unless you fall into the “kiss of life” camp lol), it was the touching of lips of 2 true loves, one of whom was cursed & hence the whoosh effect.

This is why I said “I understand” why it can be debated, however IMO, if A&E have out right said it wasnt “TLK” then it’s not, but as I said before, it doesnt mean it isnt a ‘subtle’ hint/foreshadowing of whats to come & looking back we’ll be going ‘well played guys, well played’ 😉 .

I can see how one might be a Neal fan and ship SF, but as an Emma fan? I don’t get it.

Hey, that’s a really good distinction. I was listening to the AfterBuzz OUAT show for E21 & E22 a few days ago & all the chicks on there were hardcore SF shippers, however after those eps, they really understood & got that Hook really loves Emma (some of the finer points went over their heads, but at least they accept & actually said Hook ‘grew on them’/they liked him & they understood). What really stood out for me though, was it was “Hook’ really loved ‘Emma” & when they spoke about Neal in general & in the SF scene, they gushed over how romantic it was that “Neal” was teaching Emma how to B&E & survive (as a thief/criminal) & how great that “he” told her that stuff about knowing your home o.O. They felt “Neal” was Emma’s TL – I spent the whole time they talked about SF thinking ‘well that’s great for Neal & all, but what about whats great/best for Emma, how is any of these things a good thing for Emma?!’ So I really truly understand what you mean by that one simple sentence.

I mean, the skull and crossbones (also known as the freaking “Jolly Roger”!) in a heart, in that particular episode?

Exactly my point about the whoosh thing when Emma did “CPR” on Killy 😉 Who’s to say Zelena, being Zelena
(since she can do the “impossible” like time travel) dint ‘simply’ turn TL against itself to create that lip curse, since it required the name of his TL (in his mind) to be evoked.

[surayya]

Argh, I had an answer all typed out and then I lost it! So…in summary – I agree with all of the last few pages!

In regard to TLK – honestly, I don’t care when or even if we ever see it with CS. Because their story is about the journey and the journey has been a fantastic ride – one I think is going to get even better. A SFer once attempted to point out how upset I’d be if I never got proof about CS – as in, a TLK. To which I responded I wouldn’t be upset at all because their story is why I watch. I don’t need proof in the form of TLK or some 3rd party indicating CS are soulmates because that’s not what’s important to me. CS’ TL doesn’t need to be proven to me. (I don’t think the ‘accuser’ was thrilled with that response, but I digress…)

I understand you, I agree- I used to want them to TLK, but now I dont really care if it doesnt happen … although I’m pretty sure Emma will have a TL since she is who she is & is driven to find her TL/SM or whatever.
I love CS, their story is relatable, romantic, sassy, sexy, passionate, fun, frustrating, real/gritty & yet still has fairy tale qualities to it. Cant really ask for more than that 😉 Would TLK be the icing on the cake? Of course it would, but I dont think CS ‘needs’ TLK to be ‘genuine’ lovers.
If I had to choose, I’d take watching the relationship/interaction between CS over TLk, over having to watch something bland like I found the SF interactions to be, that had a TLK (not that SF did get a TLK),but you get my point lol.

[surayya]

Just saw this fanvid & it’s great! Not just CS, but all the types of ‘love’ stories on Once (so something for everyone), exceptionally well done IMO & worth a look 🙂

[obisgirl]

I love Captain Swan love story, I do. But I think it would be a let down if we got to the last season of this show and never got any kind of confirmation of who is Emma’s true love?

It bothers me when shows are cancelled and the story is incomplete.

And for purpose of my true love meta, there has to be a TLK at some point.

But overall, I agree with you all. Captain Swan is about the journey, specifically Emma’s.

In retrospect, each season has been a build up to Emma accepting romantic love in her life.

Season one – Emma falls in love with Henry and really begins to genuinely care about him, to accepting the role as his mother.

Season two – reconnecting with her parents and accepting them into her life.

3a- Emma realizing that her love for Neal is unhealthy and the only way to really give herself a chance at a happy ending is if he’s dead (hence Quiet Minds).

3b – Emma trying to figure out where is home for her and finally accepting romantic love into her life. But also truly accepting her parents for who they are instead of keeping them at a distance.

Each season son has really been a building block towards Emma accepting romantic love into her life.

[surayya]

I think it would be a let down if we got to the last season of this show and never got any kind of confirmation of who is Emma’s true love?

For Emma’s story, yes I agree, because it’s been confirmed that given who she is/her nature/being the product of TL, drives her to want TL & a HEA for herself, so yes, absolutely it would be a let down not to see that fulfilled & honestly why I dont think SF were ever “TL”, by Snowing/Rumbelle/Fairy Tale standards- but for CS, I’m not worried if TLK happens or not, the story is epic without it so far 🙂 … I will dance the happy dance & fangirl to extremes if it does happen though LOL 😉

It bothers me when shows are cancelled and the story is incomplete.

UGH! I hate that too, it’s why I hate falling in love with shows- esp young ones :/ It’s also why I hate with a passion, cliffhangers if the show hasnt already been renewed.

Gaters were very lucky when SG1 got cancelled, as we got 2 movies to wrap it up- it wasnt as satisfying as having 22/24eps to wrap it in mind you, but at least we got some closure on the story lines 🙂

In retrospect, each season has been a build up to Emma accepting romantic love in her life.

Interesting observation.

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