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@KFChimera wrote:
I liked Daniel/Vala and Chloe/Oliver as well. I followed along the Chloe=Lois theory for awhile, but hopped off that wagon and didn’t like all the negativity about both the actress and character used for Lois, from some of those pushing that idea. But that’s fandom, people can get an idea in their minds. So I’m open to whatever they want to do on ONCE, and won’t ever ship anything so hard I have to close my mind to the story they are telling rather than what I thought they ought to do.
Yeah, it is hard to be loyal to the story when we have so much clinging hope for this ship. Alas, I will still happily watch OUAT whether CS happens or not. I trust that the writers will make Emma’s story as beautiful, intricate, and unexpected as we envision it would be with CS in it.
Though, I will still be saddened if there is no CS in sight. The chemistry, as we have all seen, is off the charts and we are all invested in that chemistry and the possibilities.
I didn’t realize that there was a Chloe=Lois theory out there. I am not surprised that there is, but Chloe is still her own character and woman in her own right. She challenges Oliver as much as he does her, both holding their own. I just wish we had more Chlollie moments. I believe the writers did not originally intend for Chlollie to happen until they saw scenes of Chloe and Oliver and the possibility of a romance. I believe Justin Hartley and Allison Mack made a conscious decision to hint at a romance when Chloe and Oliver have that infamous heart to heart in front of a cafe after she staged those crazy action scenarios and he ends up re-discovering himself in “Roulette.”
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@KFChimera wrote:
I liked Daniel/Vala and Chloe/Oliver as well. I followed along the Chloe=Lois theory for awhile, but hopped off that wagon and didn’t like all the negativity about both the actress and character used for Lois, from some of those pushing that idea. But that’s fandom, people can get an idea in their minds. So I’m open to whatever they want to do on ONCE, and won’t ever ship anything so hard I have to close my mind to the story they are telling rather than what I thought they ought to do.
I would never give up watching a show for something as juvenile as my ‘ship’ not happening & I think very few CS’ers have said they would give the show up either (at least in this thread)- Daniel/Vala would never have happened had the show not been cancelled, but it didn’t matter because the chemistry those 2 had revitalized the show, picking it back up where Jack left off. Their relationship played out somewhat as I like to see Emma & Killian’s play out- Love/Hate, reluctant trust/working together, cautious friendship, friendship, good/close friends, flirting & romance- nice & slow 😉 😀
Of course there will be disappointment & probably frustration if a hinted pairing, doesn’t get any further than off screen confirmations of it’s existence- which is to be expected (not saying that is the case here, just that that response would be a given in that event).Personally, the only thing that will have me tuning out (as I’ve said before), will be if they do something so far beyond logical comprehension, that I wouldn’t be interested in investing any further, as the core of their story line/s had been screwed over, that I’d see no point in watching- ie. If Neal & Emma had forgiven each other everything on the beach & planned on living happily ever after in NY…. I doubt I would have bothered with S3 TBH, as it goes against everything we’ve been told about Emma’s character for the last 2yrs etc.
It’d be EXACTLY the same if Hook & Emma had hooked up this ep- even for a one nighter at this point- it goes against Emma’s character & would make no sense given her reaction at the top of the beanstalk & what we know of her- again, from the last 2 seasons- their current flirtations (or lack thereof) are fine- her responses make sense.There is also a big difference between character hate/dislike, ship hate/dislike, reasons for tuning out & expecting A&E to write the show as shippers want it- reality is there are good & bad points, pros & cons in every ship & character- all of which get discussed. I don’t think anyone in here has said they hate any one character, simply because they are in the way of their ship, nor that they’ll be tuning out if it doesn’t happen (but even if the did- it is their right to do so)- we all like or dislike the ship for different reasons compared to the other ships involving both Hook & Emma. As I said above, if A&E push points for 2 yrs then just swept them under the rug- I’d give it up, simple as that- whats the point in investing, if that’s what is going to happen with other major plots- However, that would be my choice, nor would I say, feel or think they were to ‘blame’ for destroying the show, because that is just a childish & ignorant thing to do- it would be me who no longer felt their show was worth my own investment, which is anyone’s right as a viewer… I’d have been hard pressed to continue calling myself a fan of the show & still be watching if Hook hadn’t come along- the show had lost it’s spark or me, Killian & CS put it back, hooked me in & has kept me here & excited since- most the other story-lines have been predictable & boring for me, centering on characters I have little interest in (even Snowing has lost a lot of it’s spark from S1 & I LOVE Snowing)- do I blame the writers for my lack of interest? Of course not. when I wanted a better viewing experience, I found it else where & came back to the show & caught up when it interested me again.
We all need to remember- in here, we are CS’ers & therefore, Emma & Hook/Killian will generally have preference over Emma/Neal (or Emma/anyone else)- that doesn’t mean we all hate Neal or whoever- it just means we all have our own reasons for preferring Killian & Emma together- so Killian’s & Neal’s interactions with Emma will be compared (as those are the only 2 interacting with her at that level).
TBH- I actually think for the most part CS’res are generally tolerant & understanding of SF/ST, Neal/Bae when compared to the level of CS hate that came out again after E21 – stuff like that annoys me & as I’m the type of person who will go & do exactly the thing I’m told can never happen. Rigt now I’d like for SF run it’s course & have Emma move on from him asap- if she ends up with Killian GREAT (I’d be over the moon), if she ends up with some random prince (like Derek) as endgame & they fit, that’s great too 😉
Maybe CS’ers are more for the underdog types, so we tend to be try to understand other ships even if we don’t like them 😉Bahahaha, just got this off of FB- it’s off of tumbler (I think), but there isn’t a link, so I cant credit the actual person who created it.
He looks so much like Ryder in this pose 😆 😉 ……. Must re-watch Tangled tomorrow.
Guys, guys, if you scroll through the comments to Colin’s recent TVLine interview to Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – May 10, 2013 06:59 AM PDT, he has an interesting CS teaser.
Colin and I discussed Hook’s assorted romantic options, but since that’s not relevant to the finale, I’ll pass along his thoughts sometime during the summer hiatus.
Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – May 10, 2013 06:59 AM PDT REPLY TO THIS POST@Jasminegirl84 wrote:
I didn’t realize that there was a Chloe=Lois theory out there.
It lost steam as Lois began to be more reporter like, but it didn’t die out the moment Lois Lane was cast. My impression was most people pushing it really wanted Chloe to be happy, rather than thinking Clark would be unhappy without her. By the time of Chlollie it was probably pretty defunct as a fan movement.
I believe the writers did not originally intend for Chlollie to happen until they saw scenes of Chloe and Oliver and the possibility of a romance. I believe Justin Hartley and Allison Mack made a conscious decision to hint at a romance “
I agree. I think Mack directed one of the scenes that gave the biggest hint of it (shooting an arrow).
To pull it back to CS–I get the feeling fan interest in CS stems from people feeling they want Hook to be happy as Emma seems like she could (have) pair(ed) well with multiple characters. While there are fans who only see them as a matched set, like Snowing, I think Chlollie and Daniel/Vala are a good comparison. A relationship can be an awesome addition to a story whether or not it is originally part of the vision. After all A&E self-described themselves as “dudes” who almost killed off Charming in the pilot thinking that would be cool. That was their original vision but they got checked by the network execs on that.
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@obisgirl wrote:
Guys, guys, if you scroll through the comments to Colin’s recent TVLine interview to Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – May 10, 2013 06:59 AM PDT, he has an interesting CS teaser.
Colin and I discussed Hook’s assorted romantic options, but since that’s not relevant to the finale, I’ll pass along his thoughts sometime during the summer hiatus.
Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – May 10, 2013 06:59 AM PDT REPLY TO THIS POSTThanks Obisgirl! I didn’t really expect any full on CS to be possible in the finale because of the last ep but hopefully there are some good teases over the summer letting us know what Hook is thinking.
They may try and do a separate triangle of some kind between Emma, Hook, and Ariel if the Hookriel people get their wishes (for now that’s a backup for me, waiting to see how old the actress cast is etc etc) but I still really want CaptainSwan.
I’m trying to take everything with a grain of salt. We’ve been led astray before by info that wasn’t official / on the show / by someone in charge. I don’t count actors even though I love the interviews and the theorizing off of it just because they know what they’re told and most of that is how to play the scene.
I’ll agree with what MRJ *actually* said in the interview that just came out that Emma is the love of Neal’s life (as much as I’ve shipped young Bae with just about anybody else…), but he did clarify at the end of the paragraph that he doesn’t know what that means down the line, just that in that moment he’s letting go of the hand of the woman he loves. MRJ is awesome at getting into his character’s head and I can see him thinking that (even though I still have issues with NealFire’s stupid moments / moments that contradict everything else…) I do think ultimately he cares about Emma.
Whether that plays out or not remains to be seen so trying not to let my hopes be dashed for CaptainSwan while at the same time hoping that by saying things like that he’s not getting SwanFire hopes up too high either – CaptainSwan people know what it’s like to be jerked around like that and it’s not fun!
*Still waiting on the Colin and Jennifer interview from Keck*…even though I’m afraid to trust anything from the actors (we need to SEE things on screen to make it legit…), I still want little teases from them…acknowledgement of a scene together would be good, we haven’t had one in ages. GRR
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@obisgirl wrote:
Guys, guys, if you scroll through the comments to Colin’s recent TVLine interview to Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – May 10, 2013 06:59 AM PDT, he has an interesting CS teaser.
Colin and I discussed Hook’s assorted romantic options, but since that’s not relevant to the finale, I’ll pass along his thoughts sometime during the summer hiatus.
Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – May 10, 2013 06:59 AM PDT REPLY TO THIS POSTSo I take it there are no CS interaction in the finale. Boo. 😆
I do wonder though how they fit everything in each episode. The 40 min or so does not seem long enough. I feel like sometimes there is not enough time and so many characters and plots that not everything can be covered.
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Actually AllThatGlitters – we've been told there would be a “breathtaking scene” and that some interaction is “important” and “awesome” – not sure if any of those overlap but they will have some interaction. It bugs me that they're acting like it's not romantic if it doesn't mean that there's a kiss, or a romantic declaration, but I'm ok with subtlety right now, I don't want him to be a rebound for Emma.
I agree that there’s so much going on with everything else that nothing overly romantic could or should happen right now, especially with the events of last week, but we should definitely see them together.
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@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Actually AllThatGlitters – we've been told there would be a “breathtaking scene” and that some interaction is “important” and “awesome” – not sure if any of those overlap but they will have some interaction. It bugs me that they're acting like it's not romantic if it doesn't mean that there's a kiss, or a romantic declaration, but I'm ok with subtlety right now, I don't want him to be a rebound for Emma.
I agree that there’s so much going on with everything else that nothing overly romantic could or should happen right now, especially with the events of last week, but we should definitely see them together.
Oh I did not hear that! That gives me hope that we could see something. Any interaction between the two would make me happy!
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