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Okay and something I was thinking about. Emma didn’t lose it with Killian because of anything HE did. She lost it with him because he has become her SAFE PERSON and for her perspective she just became completely expendable. She lost it with him because she DOES trust him, she trusts that he will always be there.
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I don’t necessarily think Emma was OOC but can the man get a break? Seriously? I can understand her being upset but she is being a huge hypocrite and I think her saying she can’t trust him anymore took it way too far.
Agreed with both of these, I didnt see Emma’s reactions that scene as OOC forr her, but they were still Very hypocritical, which is why I dont feel they will negatively impact CS, but in fact make them stronger.
It was weird direction to take IF they wanted to draw the angst out more, but they dont, so it makes sense that they want to build the drama (Emma & Killy at odds- but not really, because we all know Killy was stuck with an impossible decision, so he cant be punished by Emma for to long without her looking like a wort), by placing the angst at the end of the ep, so it is very fresh in the minds as the show finishes, then next ep see’s the resolution.
I’m wondering if Killy simply refuses (again) to kiss Emma, WW says fine- you’re no use to me then/ kiss her or die- Emma is standing going WTH!?, Killy still refuses to kiss her & WW does a magical knock down on him- which has Emma freaking out & WW telling HER, she must kiss HIM IF she doesnt want him to die- so the roles get reversed & Emma chooses to loose her magic to save Killy (but doesnt loose her magic, or does, but is able to get it back with again with Killy’s help)
[adrotate group="5"]It feels like the Charming family took on the role of the Hook Haters in the show this episode. What exactly were they accusing him of doing/lying about with regards to the message? Did they really think he could be working with Zelena to bring Emma back to Storybrooke? How does that make ANY sense when she obviously had her own plan to deal with Emma (Walsh). Instead of calmly discussing it like adults they had to assume the worst that Hook was double crossing them. I wonder if it will ever actually come out who sent the message? The only person at this point that can reveal it is Rumple and his remembrance of it is questionable as well.
After all of that I can totally see Hook “giving up” in a way. All of that progress he worked so hard to achieve with Emma was wiped away instantaneously despite him doing his best in a bad situation. Emma should be thanking her lucky stars Hook intercepted Henry while he was running away but of course that information was conveniently left out… It always felt like Henry wasn’t properly protected because Emma insisted on lying to him. Ugh I am so annoyed. I really don’t care about there not being TLK but this was such a huge unnecessary step backwards.
Agree with most of what you say here. I have to admit that is my biggest bug bear with the ep- the way Snowing just jumped down his throat when ALL Killy Ever said about getting the message was he “ASSUMED” it was them who sent it- It was CHARMING who said “Message by bird, does sound like you/something you’d do (while looking at Snow)”. So how was Hook “lying” ….. it’s times like these I wish I didnt LOVE Snowing- because all I wanna do is grab them & shake them….. hard! In the hope some logic or common sense will rattle loose & fall into a place where they can access & use it- for a change!
I actually am starting to like the idea of Hook actually honestly thinking about taking a real step back from Emma & having him tell her he doesnt know how to prove his love to her, because she is so willing to always believe the worst in him- even when he is trying to protect her, Henry & her family- that nothing he does is “good enough” for them, so he will make sure she is safe this last time & then he will be leaving (type thing). If she thinks/wants him, she will have to go find him, because he is done, he doesnt deserve to have his heart broken repeatedly trying to prove himself to her or them anymore, he’s not a ‘bad’ person anymore. It would certainly change the dynamics between them & force Emma & Snowing to ‘get a grip’ when they realise just how much they rely on him now & it would be awesome if Henry had a go at them all & stuck up for Killy, saying he as just trying to protect me- I wanted to run away! Cue guilty expressions & Emma seeking out Killy (I know only in my dreams, but it’d be nice if *something* like that went down).
I’m wondering if Killy simply refuses (again) to kiss Emma, WW says fine- you’re no use to me then/ kiss her or die- Emma is standing going WTH!?, Killy still refuses to kiss her & WW does a magical knock down on him- which has Emma freaking out & WW telling HER, she must kiss HIM IF she doesnt want him to die- so the roles get reversed & Emma chooses to loose her magic to save Killy (but doesnt loose her magic, or does, but is able to get it back with again with Killy’s help)
I’ve been having similar thoughts. But how does the WW know that Emma cares that much about Hook? It’s pretty obvious from Hook’s pov with the ‘yearning looks and doe-y eyes’, but Emma could just lie and say she doesn’t care for Killian and just continue to use her magic against the WW. Her magic seemed to work quite well when WW was strangling Henry. Supposedly her magic is the only thing that can stop the WW. Her new born bro/sis is in trouble, her family is in trouble, I know it may seem harsh (and downright horrible) she might she his death as a sacrifice she’s willing to make. For the greater good and all that. I’m sure Killian would do the same thing. He’s not forcing Emma to kiss him to save the people she loves because as he said they all know Emma’s magic is the only thing that will stop the WW.
It would be nice if it happened like that and we get his curse broken with TLK, but I’m not sure Emma will see it that way.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
With Regina’s comments about the kingdom being separated as the price for ripping up the original curse how did Hook get out/escape Snowing’s casting of the curse? I always assumed he was outside of the realm at the time of the cursing but now I am not sure if that was possible? Only thing I could think of is that technically he was never really cursed and could therefore somehow get around that.
On the other hand if he was still in the realm, got cursed and drank the potion to remember how did he leave Storybrooke? I thought that was part of the curse that you couldn’t leave? Unless that was a Regina specific thing and that is why Zelena has monkeys guarding the borders because they technically can leave. Or maybe Hook’s ship makes him immune to the can’t leave Storybrooke thing. It would explain though how Zelena/Walsh knew about him and the potion in NYC if he was cursed originally with everyone else.
Overall I like that theory about Hook being cursed too. It is a nice twist. Not sure though how that still fits in the timeline regarding the short time between Hook receiving the potion/the curse being cast and Hook getting to NYC and finding Emma. I would think that it would have been harder for him to get another memory potion than it would be to use his ship (which was already established as being made from enchanted wood) to make a portal somehow. Unless in that huge block of time that is still unaccounted for he was already doing his own thing to get a memory potion (JR trade?) so he had two and then somehow got to NYC from Storybrooke without Zelena’s monkeys getting him.
A&E are certainly good at creating mystery. The only thing I am really convinced of is that Hook traded/gave up the JR for SOMETHING in order to get to Emma or help her remember.
Well said & Agreed 🙂
Thats good to know lumee- still makes them look like numpties though- I mean at least get your facts together before making wild accusations about people *sigh*
Hook did not consult Emma on getting Henry out of Storybrooke, he was just going to take him (or rather palm him off on Smee which implied Hook wasn’t going to be there to ensure Henry got out of Storybrooke safely, he was relying on Smee).
No he didnt & he wouldnt, because doing so while Henry was STILL IN SB = putting a death warrant out on Henry’s head- I think the moment Henry decided he wanted to leave, he gave Hook the idea that IF Henry wasnt in SB, WW couldnt get to him to carry out her “I’ll feed Henry to my mokeys threat” & then he could actually TELL Emma what was going on, because Henry would no longer in danger. & lets be honest IF Emma had known, her 1st action would have been ‘great Henry is in danger of being murdered by WW thanks to you telling me’, I have to get him out of here-NOW!, I’ll come back & help if I can, after I have him safe- so while Emma’s reaction can be justified on the one hand, it doesnt change her being a hypocrite anyway you want to justify it- Hook was acting in EVERYONE’S best interest, not his own- Emma would have acted in Her & Henry’s best interest & to hell with everyone else (she was already going to go back to NY & deny Henry his knowledge of his father & denied his father the right to his son one last time, having pretty much anything to do with his legal mother or his grand parents, his heritage etc. So Emma hardly has the moral high ground on keeping secrets relating to another’s personal choices here).
By just taking him without asking, to Emma, Henry would’ve just disappeared on her in a town where there is an evil witch running round controlling the dark one. To have your child suddenly disappear on you to who knows where is every parents worse nightmare, made even worse when there is an ever present danger lurking waiting to strike.
Again, his would only be true IF you believed Killy was init for “selfish/evil” reasons & wouldnt have told Emma immediately about the curse & what WW had planned for Henry if he didnt take her magic away, as soon as Henry was safe.
Emma has trusted Hook with Henry in the past, he was her first port of call when she needed someone to look after Henry, but what he did in this episode would’ve made anyone go “I can’t trust this person with my child anymore” so Emma was justified in saying what she did.
Totally disagree with this- 1) Henry was trying to leave. When Henry gets an idea in his head, he does it- whether it’s stupid or not- ie. 2headed viper, dynamite to blow up a magic well, listening to creepy flying kid telling you to give him his heart to “save magic” which you tried to “blow up” a few weeks earlier, rather than your parents, spring to mind here. 2) What was he supposed to do- tell Emma about the curse, knowing WW was going to KILL Henry & the rest of her family for telling her? 3) She trusted Hook with keeping Henry safe, so WHY would she all of a sudden “assume” he wasnt acting to keep Henry safe now- that makes no sense to me! 4) IF she/they had actually waited for a full answer, instead of jumping to conclusions- they’d know that Hook Couldnt tell without killing them, couldnt kiss Emma to remove the threat to Henry & had wanted to get Henry safe, so he could tell her/them what was going on.
Snowing were unfair to Hook. Their basis of no longer trusting him were because they didn’t send him the message. Hook only said he assumed the message was from them because it came attached to a bird. Charming even said that it sounded like something Snow would do, so their jumping on the “I can’t trust you” bandwagon was out of order.
I do absolutely agree with this.
It’s kind of funny cause I’m mad at all the characters involved. Snowing was way too quick to attack Killy and question his allegiance. Emma was mean to both Henry and Killy that episode and IMO went too far with her trust comment. She just seemed off to me all episode…. Killian was just generally dumb and wrong in his decision to take Henry with only Smee for protection (…really?) and he failed to fully stick up for himself . he was desperate and made a mistake but his intentions were unselfish… I think though Emma and Killian had more justification for their actions while Snowing was way out of line. Everybody needs to get their stuff together. Zelena is making everyone a little nutty.
@surayya I agree with you. I kind of want Killian to step back or even flip out a bit and tell her he gives up because he has done everything he can to prove himself and its gotten him nowhere. Without the JR though he would literally have nothing left. I kind of hope Henry comes clean about the running away and sticks up for Hook. I do think it was telling that he wasn’t with the family at Neal’s grave when he has been nonstop by Emma’s side except when he was in Rumples trunk or babysitting :p My theory/hope is that Killian backs off and Emma seeks him out.is it just me or does Killy look wet when you see him hurt in the promo? Weird if that is the case. I hate to say it but I don’t think we are going to get more past year backstory for Killian this next episode. I really want answers regarding that but with the birth, Dorothy/Oz backstory and Zelena battling the episode already seems super full. I am guessing Killy gets hurt at the end and its a cliffhanger leading into his further backstory in the 2 hr finale.
I used to watch Bones and waiting for Booth and Bones to get together took foooooorever and frankly the payoff was super weak bc of how they ended up getting together (imo). CS hasn’t been going that long and there has been a ton of progress. As long as they don’t screw up the moment when it finally happens I can be patient 🙂
I’ve been having similar thoughts. But how does the WW know that Emma cares that much about Hook? It’s pretty obvious from Hook’s pov with the ‘yearning looks and doe-y eyes’, but Emma could just lie and say she doesn’t care for Killian and just continue to use her magic against the WW. Her magic seemed to work quite well when WW was strangling Henry. Supposedly her magic is the only thing that can stop the WW. Her new born bro/sis is in trouble, her family is in trouble, I know it may seem harsh (and downright horrible) she might she his death as a sacrifice she’s willing to make. For the greater good and all that. I’m sure Killian would do the same thing. He’s not forcing Emma to kiss him to save the people she loves because as he said they all know Emma’s magic is the only thing that will stop the WW.
It would be nice if it happened like that and we get his curse broken with TLK, but I’m not sure Emma will see it that way.
I think Regina has already answered the “How would WW know Emma loves Killy” question- a blind man could see Emma’s looks & reactions to/around Killy 😉
Yeah, I could see Emma thinking that- but we know she wont go there as well since Killy is in the last 2eps, so yeah lol.
Emma isnt willing to let people just die for her sake if she can help it- she’s not heartless & she does have feelings for Killy whether she admits them or not + she’s had Graham die in her arms, Neal die in her arms, Henry all but dead in her arms (twice) so I cant see her allowing Killy to die in her arms as well- esp if he’s just gone & told her we wont be responsible for taking her magic or causing her & Henry to never have existed & that she needs to ‘finish this’ no matter what happens to him or anyone else, kind of thing- Emma wont lightly give up the one person she relies on to support her through not only magic, but the ‘savior’ tough times as well IMO- esp as he’s turned out to be her one constant in all of the madness.
It’s kind of funny cause I’m mad at all the characters involved. Snowing was way too quick to attack Killy and question his allegiance. Emma was mean to both Henry and Killy that episode and IMO went too far with her trust comment. She just seemed off to me all episode….
Me too! I was frustrated with all of them at one point or another. Charming was just the icing on the cake. Seriously dude? We jump from we didn’t send Hook the message to Hook is obviously a liar.
My thought about Emma being off all episode (as Snow said, she had been off since they left Granny’s) was that she was worried about Hook. That must be the first time she was waiting for him and he didn’t show up. Cue all skewed feelings.
And @surayya, I don’t think she really would sacrifice him either, I was trying to be devil’s advocate and see it from all angles. *puts CS glasses back on* 🙂
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
It’s kind of funny cause I’m mad at all the characters involved. Snowing was way too quick to attack Killy and question his allegiance. Emma was mean to both Henry and Killy that episode and IMO went too far with her trust comment. She just seemed off to me all episode…. Killian was just generally dumb and wrong in his decision to take Henry with only Smee for protection (…really?) and he failed to fully stick up for himself . he was desperate and made a mistake but his intentions were unselfish… I think though Emma and Killian had more justification for their actions while Snowing was way out of line. Everybody needs to get their stuff together. Zelena is making everyone a little nutty.
Agreed, I guess insanity is contagious lol 😉
My theory/hope is that Killian backs off and Emma seeks him out
I’m with you all the way here 🙂
I agree with we probably wont see much in the way of missing yr back story until E21/22 as well.
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