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MysteryKat25Participant
That was awesome! Thanks for sharing. 🙂
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May 8, 2013 at 7:42 pm in reply to: Official Itunes Podcast for 2×21 Second Star to the Right #192299MysteryKat25ParticipantI still think it hasn’t actually ruled out the NealFire Pan thing and I think it’s certainly pointing that way but the ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. I think Bae’s backstory in Neverland is far more complicated than just being Peter, and he may be a pirate for awhile before becoming Peter or he could just be one or the other but nothing has been ruled out for sure.
Thanks for linking those photos. I noticed the pirate ship first thing and fell completely in love with that window! I need to rewatch but there weren’t many moments of showing it so any screencap of it is great, thanks! (I really want that window, it’s GORGEOUS!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAlso it’s for the finale so probably trying to keep as much under wraps as they can convince the network to let them (I know they get overruled for a lot of the promos etc throughout the season and don’t have much control over it, but they might have a bit more for finales).
I know last year there were only 3 sneaks and the last one showed up 3 hours before it aired on the east coast. (That last one was pretty spoilery too as it showed Emma waking up Maleficent and having a sword in her hand), so as much as I want to see the sneaks cause I’m chomping at the bit for this episode, it also wouldn’t surprise me if we don’t get much or if it’s really stretched out, even though a lot of stuff has already been spoiled. I hope we get SOMETHING we don’t expect so we can still be surprised.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI agree…with all of this.
I remember being annoyed last year when the Snowing video was released. The actors said they tried to yell fake stuff that sounded similar so they could dub it over later in ADR but people still essentially knew what was going on.
As sad as I’ll be to see SB go I really think it might. The town of Steveston will get their town back (and get to stop changing out the signs all the time!) but it will always be a part of them and I’m sure for years to come it will be a tour destination for hardcore Oncers who will recognize bits and pieces along the way. I love that the town has embraced that (like the ice cream shop!)
As much as spoiler TEASES are great and fun to work off of, I can’t say I’ll miss all the little stuff if it means that the bigger stuff gets kept under wraps. There’s so much stuff out there weeks before that it’s hard to avoid it all (I tried for part of this season but people that I knew knew spoilers kept hinting at various things, or it would be in headlines somewhere etc etc and I just gave up). I kinda miss being actually SURPRISED by more than a couple scenes here and there.
As for how this season could end…I’m not sure given how much stuff we’ve already seen. What would pack a punch like last year with the magic coming?
I like the idea of ending it with the sighting of Neverland, but I think that might be the 2nd to last thing, with it cutting to a clip of the Home Office and then seeing somebody turn around in a chair and we all gasp when we see whoever it is (I’m sure we’ll recognize the person, just not sure who yet) and THEN it will cut to black and we’ll all be freaking out.
We’ve seen so much stuff about various parts of it, moreso than last year I think, that I’m just not sure! I’m hopeful that a lot of things surprise us and I’m sure they will, even though we do have so much to go off right now.
I know last year they only had 3 sneaks (the last one mere hours before it aired) because they didn’t want to give away that Emma believed so early in the ep. It’ll be interesting what they do this year (it’s Wed. so we can at least be on the lookout).
Still sad at the idea of SB going boom so not sure if they want to leave us with that not-so-hopeful image for a show that’s supposed to be about hope (last season did leave us with a lot of hope for the characters but also a jaw dropping “what happens now?” thing with the smoke so I hope that we don’t end on SB going poof.
I just also hope that people don’t freak out next season so much about not seeing set pics of various characters cause I feel like a lot of it will be done on green screen and be more hidden (there was WAY too much drama this year with “we haven’t seen so and so” because they were all hidden).
The only issue with a new location is if they didn’t get an actual set place but are mostly in the studio then the CGI / budget issue. HOWEVER, I’ve been thinking on this. Ratings were iffy this season and I think part of that (besides scheduling etc.) was how much stuff was already out in the public. I remember after the first episode aired people were saying they weren’t really interested in anything until episodes 4 & 6…that’s not a good way to handle a season if we know so much ahead of time that we know what episodes we’re going to be invested in without giving the rest of it a chance! If they can keep more under wraps and it helps with numbers, their budget could potentially go up, especially if it keeps people guessing and gets more people invested in watching it live because of the surprises, rather than saying well, I know pretty much what is going to happen so I’ll watch it later and still not be spoiled (not that I think many do that one way or the other, but I’m not sure that right this second it’s a must-not-miss show for some people other than the fact that this week is a season finale which is huge – the rest of the season there were several hit and miss episodes for people because they knew weeks / months in advance that it was likely to focus on somebody they didn’t care to see. Even this week in the live chat I saw people saying “what are we talking about? so and so came on screen and I tuned them out”…that’s not a good way to do things and if they can convince the network this will help with stuff (and they wouldn’t be spending that part of the budget on borrowing the town / changing props constantly except for an occasional flashback as we do still need some SB-related answers) that could be good.
On the other hand…going to a new place like Neverland does still leave the possibility of those SB flashbacks occasionally and SB would be like seeing an old friend at that point, similar to other characters that we have lost. (I noticed this on Lost but there are some characters I didn’t care so much about them going away, but when you see them in flashbacks it’s “awww, I kinda miss them” and the same kind of thing has happened over time with Once where it’s exciting to get to see someone we haven’t seen in awhile and SB would be a nice way to do that). Did I mention we still need answers in SB??
I really like the idea of it ending with us seeing Neverland (preferably during the DAY, as a) we haven’t seen that yet and b) the directions (and the episode titles) clearly say that the way to get there is “second star on the right and straight on til MORNING) so I would love to get a moment where Hook is ala Captain Jack Sparrow and instead of “Bring me that horizon” it’s our first glimpse of Neverland and Hook is in charge of the ship (as it should be), and then ending with a little cut back to wherever the Home Office is and giving us just a glimpse of who is in charge.
Not that this press release has been overly helpful since it’s left so many names out already…do people have to have an actual speaking part to be eligible for the list? (I assume they work with characters who are mute differently as obviously the actors would need to get paid etc, but I’m talking for normal stuff, in order to count for a regular fee or whatever to get billing as a guest star and show up in press releases they’d need an actual speaking part – meaning maybe we haven’t seen whoever this is on the press release and it’ll be a huge shock.
Note to self: ignore the opening credits / the chat at that point in time. I want to be surprised about who else is going to be there since they’re not putting every name on the press release which is just silly. I wonder how much the creators had to beg the PR department to NOT include some stuff as it would be a dead giveaway (hmm, who could be a dead giveaway from the Home Office?). They teased Jamie Dornan last year but they know his name always gets people excited about watching. This year they’ve given us too much stuff already and I bet there’s lots out there they wish weren’t (like the MAP photo.
Is there any way that the press release people either ran out of room or were asked not to include people? I don’t know how such things work but it seems rather odd….I’ve never seen that happen before I don’t think.
I also agree that leaving it on a Hook smile would be great and please….half the fanbase anyway. I know around here he gets a lot of flack (or maybe that’s mostly in the livechats on Sunday – does he not have a lot of Eastern / Central time-zone love or something?) but they get equal love/hate mail for Neal & Hook so there is a huge group behind Hook so that could be cool to see (I want my Jack Sparrow moments – get me Grumpy saying “I hate pirates,” pronto! – I don’t see us getting an “Ello Poppet” anytime soon but the other could work).
Bring on Neverland!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI am completely on board with this! If the name has a connection (and it would make sense for Rumple to at least try) and Bae figures it out, it’s a perfectly logical reason to change his name and I’ve been a big proponent of name-changing theories cause I don’t think he jumped straight to Neal. I really think it was Peter and then when he got to our world he had to change it for 1 of 2 reasons if not both:
1) Try introducing yourself as Peter Pan…seriously that’s not going to fly (pun intended) in our world. He’d be mocked and/or sent to a mental institution
2) Anybody in Neverland would know him and if Rumple went there looking for him and asked / tortured the right person, they could say well he’s going by Peter now and he was last seen….
It just doesn’t make sense to keep the same name if he ever gets to the point where is afraid of Rumple finding him (which he obviously does, the question is how?)
I think that he’s perfectly find using the name Baelfire right now and doesn’t seem to have a problem with it, nor is he worried about his dad.
What if Rumple DOES go to Neverland (be it to follow a name tracking spell, or to find squid ink, etc etc) and Bae SEES him / doesn’t like what he’s doing. For instance if he is going around interrogating people and Bae sees or hears something he may lead him away from it by leaving clues that he’s left and then actually leave but change his name and go somewhere Rumple can’t get to him again.
The only issue I see in that is that young Bae likes to fight. He’s not afraid to stand up to anybody, including his father. (Seriously who else could tell Rumple that they don’t like what he’s doing and what he’s become and beg him to change and get away with it?)
I think something has to change along the way for Bae to go from being sad / having nightmares about his father leaving him to being afraid he’ll ever find him. Seeing / overhearing / learning of something in Neverland could change that.
There’s also the question of his relationship with Hook and whether Hook puts it all together & tells Bae what his father has done. That could trigger things too, finally learning about Milah’s fate and realizing that his father is even more of a monster now that he’s gone than he was before he let Bae go through the portal.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@Moraha wrote:
Wow – there are so much new posts here.
I’m just going to say, that I thank you all for being great fellow shipmates. You make me not lose hope that CS will happen one day. ( And if it’s not they’d be friends or get paired with other people that fit.)
We HAVE to get a scene with Emma and Hook together on Sunday and I’m sure we’ll see more next season. I think everything got mixed up because of Colin’s broken leg – that’s why we feel a little “betrayed” by Adam and Eddy for teasing CS and not delivering…. They had it planned out differently in the beginning.THIS completely! This thread has certainly helped me keep sane (even if some of it has been ranty vents followed by moments of hopefulness!).
I too hope that if they insist on pairing Emma with Neal that she and Hook have a great friendship (especially if we see that he & Bae have a good relationship as well *fingers crossed*) and that we actually like whatever pairings they’re involved in. I’m still 100% CaptainSwan though, the rest will just have to fall in line.
I agree that they had things planned out differently. Hook was supposed to be around in S1…then the broken leg etc etc. I’m still hopeful that we get some important / meaningful scenes that CONTINUE to show the parallels and set up the potential future like the earlier episodes did so beautifully. (Honestly I want SwanFire fans to see what we see since most of us see what they see even though we don’t like it much – it’s annoying to hear all the parallels that SF has to Snowing but they can’t see an ounce of the parallels with CS!)
I’m still waiting for those interviews from Colin & JMO for this week (weren’t they supposed to have something good in it for us that they’ve been holding onto?) This episode is supposed to be Hook-centric so I’m hoping we get some great bonding moments to lay the foundation for a good relationship but I agree, start at a friendship for now and move forward later, she’s got a lot of issues to deal with.
I really hope that if she does go back to Neal it’ll be because the younger version of her needs to see it play out and that over time she’ll realize that she’s not that person anymore and that Tallahassee was just that – a dream.
Neal showed that he could move on and even though he said that he was too scared etc etc…he relished in the fact that Emma was basically jealous and would have been interested in something possibly after they talked through stuff a bit and she understood what happened…and he STILL not only defended Tamara but went as far as to tell everybody he was still gonna marry her and they’d just have to get used to it – that does not sound like a man 100% on the SwanFire bandwagon, it sounds like a man who saw his high school sweetheart again and wondered if things could be different but recognized that he made his choices and was still committed to somebody else, up until the time he found out it was all a lie and she shot him. *eye roll*
If Emma is his first choice…and he had a chance to be back with her and be a family with Henry etc etc (and he clearly saw that she was acting like she was jealous and he enjoyed that…) then why tell her how much she meant to him and then go back to Tamara til she proved her evil ways?? He was starting to at least try to explain I’ll give him that, but it still wasn’t until after Tamara was proven evil that he was finally like “well, I loved you the whole time so please love me back as I sacrifice myself for you.” That’s how it came across – that he does love Emma but he doesn’t put her first, she was essentially at that moment a glorified backup plan where it’s like “well, this was bad but at least things go back to the way they were always supposed to be all those years ago.” – how is that not making Emma a 2nd choice?
I do get what they’re trying to say that he made the sacrifice so long ago for the good of her destiny and to get her back to her family because he knew how much she wanted to find them etc etc and he made that sacrifice…but he made it KNOWING that he would be able to get back in touch with her. He had years to try and come up with a way to explain it so that she would forgive him. (Like father like son…Rumple has centuries to get Bae back, shows up and offers to de-age him with the magic that he HATES. Go figure).
I understand why they’re both behaving the way they are, but I do think even if they’er reunited and happy for a little bit, it’ll wear off and hopefully in the meantime she’ll acknowledge the strong woman she’s become and let herself move on from her “high school crush” into a more mature relationship that’s good for the woman she is now, not the girl she was years ago.
PLEASE have some good CS stuff for us this week. We’ve been teased so much but I think some people (not all, but some definitely) get distracted and like whatever they see on the tv right then the best. In Tallahassee it was divided a bit and people were able to see both options and some loved one, some loved another….lately it’s been so one-sided that there hasn’t been much to show for the option we love most.
We need them to have a more balanced amount of screentime to make the triangle legitimate and we need to see Hook’s merits as much as we’ve seen Bae not really deal with the stuff he should be dealing with (he’s so shy it takes him how many episodes to get around to finishing the explanation that should have been covered pretty early on – seriously who stops after pinocchio told me to do it? He couldn’t even tell her that he loved her back then too but… when she said that she loved him back then and he betrayed her! Can you imagine Hook not doing that? Fighting match, arguing back and forth, Emma saying she loved him back then, he would totally shout back that he loved her too! (not to mention that he wouldn’t have let anything stand in his way…) It just doesn’t make sense.
I need there to at least be a strong amount of hope for a CS relationship of any kind after this episode. On the bright side….PaleyFest happened after the broken leg thing was an issue because he was almost mended back then right? So hypothetically…the stuff they teased was good stuff not only for this season, but stuff they wanted people to be excited about for the future I hope and it would have taken into account a lack of screentime up to the finale…
I’m just a little worried because they went so FAR with SwanFire and to a point where there isn’t a happy way to show CS this season really. Literally the best we can hope for is to find Hook doing the right thing, helping the good guys, and comforting / commiserating with Emma over her perceived loss that could be a loss to him as well depending on how close they were, and worst/best case scenario is he can relate because of Milah. I’m hoping for some serious comforting scenes laying the groundwork at least for a great friendship.
I would NEVER want one of her suitors to die as that is just NOT the way to get the other pairing together! I can’t stand the idea that any of them would be somebody’s 2nd choice! I don’t want Neal out of the way dead…I want him out of the way because they finally wake up and realize that the little dream they had all those years ago is just that: a dream, and it’s a dream they need to find with someone else.
I want Henry to have everybody in his life, but honestly..of the handful of potential pairings we’ve ever seen for Bae? I prefer Morraine and Wendy over Emma (only Tamara goes on the bottom of the list). – Seriously why did we get Morraine’s name both times if she’s not important; I was hoping she was somehow related to Wendy or that we’d see her again though I’m not sure how. And now that we’ve met Wendy and he’s obviously smitten with her I am enjoying that as well, though I’m not sure they’ll ever see each other again or if they do maybe it’s her daughter or something and even THAT I’ll probably ship over SwanFire.
Neal has his moments where I’m reminded that he was once Bae but I love love love Bae, and I can’t get 100% on board with Neal, at least where Emma’s concerned. There’s just too much baggage. Neal has his moments, he can be adorable and sweet, but also very immature and stubborn in a bad way (he never sees when he’s wrong and always trusts the wrong people, whereas Emma’s stubbornness comes out of being sure she’s right). Right now, other than Tamara, give me Bae with just about anybody, but I can’t decide who Neal should be with because I haven’t seen anybody plausible for him as a grown up so I hope we meet someone else next season that can turn the triangle into an awkward square that eventually evens itself out so that everybody is happy.
If there hadn’t been such a huge time gap in the relationship and so much hadn’t happened I could see it, SwanFire has certainly gotten a lot of moments lately but I really really hope that once CaptainSwan gets some REAL screentime again, like in Tallahassee (the only thing we can all agree on is loving that ep apparently!) then maybe we’ll be able to prove there’s a chance. *fingers crossed*
I need some CaptainSwan stuff! It’s Wednesday so sneaks should start rolling in I hope – there were only 3 last year for the finale though and the last was put up 3 hours before it aired so I’m worried. Granted last year they couldn’t show much without it being obvious that Emma believed since she did that super early on so maybe this year there’s a bit more they can tease without giving it all away? (I was mad about sneak #3 last year cause it ruined the surprise of Emma waking up Mal but there’s gotta be something they can give us this time right?)
Also I still don’t trust the promo department – I went back and watched the promo for Hook’s introduction and the only thing they got right was calling him a “charming swashbuckler” (I’d like to think the use of the word “charming” wasn’t a coincidence, but given that the rest of the promo was about showing how Hook became one of the biggest villains of all time and suggesting that he’s somehow worse than Rumple I’m really not sure I can take anything out of it).
Maybe there will be something good on the podcast tonight? Daniel tweeted that there are a lot of cast VM and Colin was included….so at least we have something to swoon over in the meantime.
WHERE ARE THE INTERVIEWS?!?!?
(I am hoping that H&K are mostly trying to be excited for whatever was just on screen and that they were giving SwanFire people their dues rather than saying well, we saw him fall through a portal but we don’t know for sure he’s dead just yet so there might be hope but you might like this other ship too cause we’re really excited about Emma & Hook interacting!) – that would have been awkward and insulting to SwanFire people and it had nothing to do with the episode at hand – they like each one as it comes along so perhaps we’ll get some hopeful words after this one for CaptainSwan. I’m sure they realize the fandom is falling to bits after last week (both sides of the triangle really) but even though we tend to be outnumbered around here (especially in the livechats) I know that they’ve said they get equal love and hate for both and they’re excited about the possibilities both bring etc etc so I’d like to think they’ll give us our due as well someday and it won’t be all “but we know she still has feelings for Neal” cause that will get old fast and it’s a slap in the face to CS people who still believe…hence my needing her to get past it and not because she thinks he’s dead.
What was that quote they gave regarding the pairings? “Sometimes there are good choices and bad choices and sometimes there are just the ones you chose?” – it was something like but but all I have to say to it is CHOOSE HOOK!
On the plus side they do seem to love the character as well as Colin so hopefully that means super awesome stuff will be down the line for Hook. (After all they talked more about him at PaleyFest than they did about Neal who wasn’t even there and was barely asked about except in regards to his relationship with Rumple which is the main thing I focus on with him anyway). Please let that mean that they want to show us all kinds of wonderful Hook goodness in S3 but that they had to set it up the way they did to get us there!
They couldn’t show us Neal last year because they had to set up the Neverland connection which meant getting the rights (or we would have had Hook sooner *cries*), and getting to Neverland sets up Hook for down the line, but at the end of the day, everything that has happened has shaped who the characters are now and sets them up for the future. Sometimes you have to get through the bad stuff to appreciate the good stuff and maybe, just maybe, that means going through the heartache of SwanFire to become the woman that Hook can fall for and both of them can move on from their pasts.
I know many believe that the road to SwanFire is through CaptainSwan, but I want to think we have at least a fighting chance that it’s the other way around.
Bring on a strong, lovable, CaptainSwan-filled S3…regardless of how much it’s going to make sitting in the live-chats miserable if everybody still hates him / CS. (It’s hard enough now but hoping this week changes that a bit – though after a huge emotional SF scene last week I’m not that’s possible, it’ll take time). It’s gonna be a LONG summer but I’d like to think the season will end with hope for every character, no matter where they end up or what mission they’re on. Last year’s ending had us all a little concerned, but it still gave hope for every character, including Regina since magic was back even though she looked like she was in huge trouble right before that. Every character had hope, the couples had hope, it’s a show about hope…please don’t let us down!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAgreed! They are definitely kindred spirits and I like the idea of them at least being close if they don’t end up together. If we find that Hook and Bae once had a good relationship too that might work out nicely (I know the guys get along in real life, their CaptainHook bromance pics were hilarious!)
I like that idea of a long searching look and sitting next to one another too! That could make for a very powerful moment and shows that sometimes words aren’t necessarily, especially between kindred spirits.
I do think that CaptainSwan fans are a little more tolerant in general. We know nobody on the show is perfect and they all have issues / have done something bad along the way but we typically don’t try to defend Hook but then destroy somebody else, whereas I see every villain but Hook usually defended. It doesn’t make sense that what’s good for one isn’t good for the other character so I’d like to think we’re just more logical and open-minded about these things, or try to be.
Probably helps us be more open-minded just because our ship gets dumped on the most too. We’ve grown thicker skin and have to just keep fighting and hope somebody else sees what we see. After all we’ve seen more in Hook than the innuendos and being tossed on the floor or tied up. Clearly we’re open to the idea that there’s more to him, just like all the other ships that didn’t start off well.
I use Rumple as an easy example cause I would never have dreamed I’d remotely like the character in the first few eps and now RumBelle is one of the biggest fandoms on the show! Hook hasn’t been given a fair shake because he’s a well-known character who is typically the bad guy and therefore a lot of preconceived notions have been dumped on him and he’s become this guy that they assume they’ll hate because he makes innuendos and he’s a pirate and he just gets pushed around. There is so much to him (there has to be!) and like the others, we have to wait for the backstory to prove that.
I know there were some people who enjoyed the character of Rumple even before his backstory was given or the fact that he became the Beast, but I bet they had a heck of a time selling that to anybody they told to watch the show. Can you imagine going on and on about the show saying how much in love you are with rumplestiltskin and getting somebody to watch the first episodes? They’d look at you like you were nuts!
I just don’t get giving some characters (who have done truly horrendous things) a free pass, but then hating Hook when we haven’t gotten the whole story yet. I really think after this episode there will be *something* that shows a different side and warms people to him. Pitting him against such a beloved couple didn’t help at all. He’s always trying to kill Rumple, he hurt Belle (even though he didn’t kill her and it was still awful yes but I think / hope it will be corrected this week) and even though we saw what should have been a mildly sympathetic background already (he didn’t TAKE Milah, she wanted to go with him, she chose him, and though he taunted Rumple back then he made a good point and Rumple’s the one that took it too far, creating his own enemy). Hook is understandably upset by watching the woman he loves die in such a tragic death (one he was willing to take in her place before she showed up out of nowhere…) so clearly he loved her and is capable of that kind of love.
Sure he’s spent a ridiculously long amount of time to go after Rumple, but its always been about vengeance for ripping out Milah’s heart and crushing it in front of him. He doesn’t exactly go around saying “I want my hand back!” He’s embraced who losing the hand made him and is on a path to make Rumple feel what he felt and destroy him for good. Rumple spent forever trying to get his son back. They’re not all that different, they just go to different extremes and are on opposite sides.
Belle made me so mad when she told him his heart was rotten. She’s the one that’s supposed to be able to see the good in people and if she can see the good in Rumple, surely she can see the good in Hook too. Look at the SHAWL! He even told her he should have destroyed it, that would have been the smart thing to do, but he couldn’t because she made it. She of all people should understand, especially what Rumple is like. (I love RumBelle, but I can defend both ships, even if they are currently sworn enemies).
Really hoping they all have to work together soon so that we can put some of this stuff aside and make Hook less 1-note. I really enjoyed Hook’s insights about life after accomplishing your life’s mission and it gives lots of potential for him to find a new and better mission, hopefully putting some of those piratey skills to good use.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI have a feeling it was in the plans and then a lot of stuff may have gotten cut OR there’s a lot in the finale *hopefully*
H&K addressed some of this by saying they don’t want to start ruling out even the obvious stuff that won’t happen because by ruling it out it gives away where they’re going with stuff (I agree with that, I don’t like it leading everybody on but they can’t spell out who’s gonna be with who with regards to Emma – she’s one of the few that isn’t set in Disney-esque stone). If they cross stuff off the list then people will read even more into what they say about the ones they’re not willing to cross off yet.
I think we’re gonna have a long journey but the triangle will become more apparent and people on both sides will just have to accept it (I think CS fans for the most part have accepted that there is this other side with Neal…we just don’t like it / want Emma to go back to him).
I’d like to think that they wouldn’t go TOO far or unrealistically too far for any ship they don’t intend on having for endgame (ie: I don’t think we’d get one ship for 5 years and then in year 6 they’re with someone else, at least I’d hope not). They pushed it as far as they did with SwanFire already but put it into understandable circumstances and they’ll have a lot to address when they are reunited and it may not go on for too long.
If we do get to see a full out triangle, both sides have to be viable and people should be a little torn (like Emma) or it doesn’t really work. There’s nobody that’s perfect and the other is horrible where it’s obvious like on most shows who the ultimate couple will be. I don’t want them to drag it out but they’ll need both sides to have something to hold onto to make it real. I fully buy that Emma would be torn somewhere down the line and it makes sense the fandom feels it.
It’s sad that it causes a lot of nasty shipping wars and that Adam has to keep defending himself on twitter. Everybody wants to see their favorites and I don’t take what they say as “we’re saying what you want to hear so you’ll tune in” but more as “this is the story we’re telling, we know there are moments you’re gonna like, stick around and enjoy it” cause them telling us where they’re heading gets rid of the fun surprises along the way. Plus with shows like this there are always characters you don’t like at first but you end up loving more than the people you hated at first but you would think they were nuts if they came out at the beginning and said “we’re planning on putting these two together so keep an eye on that.”
Can you imagine after the pilot saying “Rumple is the Beast. Belle will fall in love with him and so will you eventually, stay tuned!”…people were flipping out after the Skin Deep PROMO (& not in a good way!) and then it ended up being awesome!
The more they tell us on twitter the more trouble they get into (poor Adam) but I can see why they can’t really say no, you’re crazy if you see something there.
We get little snippets here and there for pretty much any ship you can think of, but ultimately, we’re eventually going to get true shipper moments (and I can’t wait for CaptainSwan ones which were kinda backburnered for most of the season after teasing us with Tallahassee – but a lot of other stuff had to happen before we can get Emma to the point where she CAN have something with Hook.
The show is about hope and they don’t want to out and out dash hopes too. Nobody is ever going to love the same coupling in a triangle and there’s always going to be somebody upset at the end of the day, I just think they’re hoping the rest of the story they’re telling makes up for only having so many wonderful moments before the other side gets theres.
I’m still annoyed with the coupling in Lost but I enjoy the parts where my ship had their moments. I don’t think they’re trying to lead us astray, part of it could be they forget what was cut / what scenes are in which eps etc since they worked on it so long before it airs but I really think we’ll get some good CS stuff in the finale (it’s supposed to be Hook-centric + young Bae…we need some good stuff with Hook / Emma. And it better be there with lots of promise for next season! I want them interacting a lot more. He was kicked to the side (probably mostly because of the broken leg thing…) and NealFire got a lot of moments this year.
I think S1 was reuniting Emma with Henry, S2 reuniting Rumple with Bae and Bae with Henry so that Henry has all of them in his life (even if it will take a lot of work), and S3 is hopefully Emma moving forward now that her family unit is pretty much together (though she may have to go rescue some of them…) and getting closer to Hook (doesn’t have to be a full on relationship just yet or I’d worry about their longevity…)
Re the last comment: the ep should center on Hook with a dose of young Bae since it was a 2 parter relating to Neverland so we should get lots of Hook for once! Perhaps good things come to those who wait? And Adam did say there was an “important” Hook & Emma scene and an “awesome” one (not sure if he was thinking about the same scene in both questions or just changed his wording between them) but I have faith that we’ll get something pretty good (hopefully a little bit of what I posted a couple pages back in the dream that I had. I’d settle for even just a little bit of that happening and I hope they our socks off with wonderful CaptainSwan moments – they can’t really be “romantic” after the way the last ep ended but he could certainly comfort her and lay the ground work for the future. They are kindred spirits after all!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI feel like with SwanFire it would be like going back to high school and being all awkward again because that’s how you were when you were around those people rather than being the strong person you became after you graduated and left.
I completely agree that it would be a step backward for Emma on the growth thing. She’s had a hard life and it has shaped who she is today, I’d hate to see her lose all that spunk and courage and turn back into a school girl for her former love. There are a lot of similarities between Hook and Neal but that’s probably because Hook (apparently) had a huge influence on him when he was still young. I’d still pick Hook, even if he is a pirate. After all, he does have his own moral code and he isn’t the worst pirate out there by a long shot!
Glad I wasn’t the only one who had Spuffy thoughts. Hopefully what we get rights the wrong done there as well…
*Goes to investigate the links now; they sound like they’ll make us all feel better!*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantOoo I like that Phee! I can totally see Emma asking what she was just able to do & I love the idea that it somehow relates back to how Belle & Sneezy get their memories back!
I’m not sure if it would wipe out all magic but it may restore things that were lost like some extreme version of Lake Nostos or something. Perhaps it’s an override to all the magic done in SB (opposite of the failsafe in a way?) Wonder if it will return Smee from rat form too? (Would be funny to see fishguy appear on the docks looking dazed and confused too, ha!).
I do think that Regina will play at least a little part in it, even if it’s just to hold it off for awhile before they figure out Emma is the one to finish it off. It will still be a bit of a joint effort and ultimately gain Regina a little goodwill going into what is sure to be yet another emotional mother-related journey…on mother’s day…again (If Henry is kidnapped and we don't get to him til next season I don't know why they put it on Mother's Day…last year you kinda knew it had to be ok because otherwise that would be cruel, at least he's not playing dead this time though.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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