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@Schmacky wrote:

So during the portal scene it wasn’t her admission of loving him that sold me that Emma really loved Neal, it was her reaction when he said he loved her. That smile. Laugh. The crying laugh/smile or whatever you want to call it. That was heartbreaking. Because that was the moment the walls came completely crashing down. I can’t really express the awesomeness of that little moment, but you get the idea…

Oh I totally get the idea. JMo OWNED that scene like a BOSS. Her reaction to his declaration of love was perfection. Made your heart wanna both sing and cry at the same time. 😀 😥

So if Emma and Hook have this thing going on and then Neal shows back up… I don’t understand why there would be any tension or even a triangle. I don’t understand why Emma wouldn’t be like “So sorry Hook but OMG NEAL IS ALIVE!” Ya know? If what this show is trying to tell us is that Emma has always been in love with Neal then why would she be conflicted between a man she just started a thing with and the man she’s been in love with for over 12 years? She wouldn’t.

I’d say we’d all prefer if there isn’t a massively tense, drawn out triangle, because they’re overdone, juvenile and tedious. SwanFire are my endgame, but I’m also sure that CaptainSwan are gonna have something going on in the not too distant future. As long as it’s done in a believable way, I’m eager to see it, and the point the story is at right now, it would be believable IMO that they’d end up turning to each other and develop a genuine, personal connection. If they want to do CaptainSwan with the least amount of teenaged drama possible, the only time that could really happen is when Nealfire is out of the picture, which he is right now.

When Nealfire comes back, I could see Emma being somewhat conflicted if she’s made a commitment to a relationship of some description with Hook. She’s not cold hearted, and if she’s come to genuinely care for him by then, it would be a tad insensitive to just drop him like a hot potato. Ideally, the “triangle” would be quickly resolved though, with both Hook and Emma realising that it just ain’t gonna last because ultimately, her heart still belongs to Nealfire, and he loves her too, so they have to sort out all their stuff and give themselves a real chance to make it work. If Hook and Nealfire do have a friendly past, I could see Hook standing aside when he sees how much Nealfire truly loves Emma.

I’d like for CaptainSwan to serve a purpose for each of them as individuals and for it not to end bitterly. Their relationship could serve the purpose of helping each of them learn to open up to someone again, help each of them grow enough that they can then have the strength to move on and have completely fulfilling relationships with their respective endgames in the future.

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@lilysmom wrote:

Emma said he was gone, but she also said that she killed him.

“Neal, you’re shot! If you fall through that portal, you’ll die no matter what world you land in!”
It’s a pretty reasonable assumption that if someone who already has a serious injury gets thrown violently through a portal, they’ll be in even worse shape when they come out the other side. And if he’s going to a land without modern medicine, and where he doesn’t know anyone, again, chances aren’t good.

I think everyone will go right on believing that there’s no way he can have survived. Rumple may be the only possible exception, but given the reasoning in my previous paragraph, I’d think that even Rumple would have to admit that the chances weren’t good.

For a decade, Emma has held onto Neal, onto the possibility of their Tallahassee, because she knew he was still out there somewhere. Now she believes he’s dead. This opens the door for her to consider moving on, which could be the setup for CaptainSwan.

There aren’t many people who knew Nealfire apart from Emma. It’s a shortlist of just Rumple, and Hook. I’ve been hoping for ages that Bae and Hook would have had a close friendship in NL. “Welcome aboard the Jolly Rodger, m’boy,” made me squeal with delight and I can’t wait to see their history. So if Nealfire is believed dead by everyone, that will likely have an effect on Hook as well.

I think that their mutual affection for Nealfire and sadness over him being gone is what will cause CaptainSwan to develop a real bond. (Which would be sort of hilarious, given the competition of the ships.) Hook can tell Emma what Nealfire was like as a kid. Emma can tell Hook was he was like as an adult, (you know that the pirate would be proud of Nealfire’s thieving ways). They can fill in the gaps for each other and become close to each other in the process.

But then once CaptainSwan are getting into the swing of things, Nealfire will show up alive and Emma’s feels and hopes for him will all come flowing back and TRIANGLE AHOY.

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@astrawoid wrote:

Maybe a pregnant Marian crosses over to our world and happens upon a kind older woman who is there for Marian and listens to her story about how she (Marian) to came to our land what magic has done to her and her family and how she had to leave behind her true love. And then after, Tamara is born, Marian falls ill again and dies, leaving Tamara in the care of this woman who Tamara eventually calls grandmother. But she raises Tamara thinking that magic is evil and unholy and killed her parents. Could this be plausible?

Totally plausible IMO. Love that idea!

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

*just wants to be right about something for once* 😆 😆 😆

😆 I can certainly empathise with that. 😉

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@KFChimera wrote:

Regina can reason, this is true, but we haven’t been given the chance to see this about Tamara. No one has tried to really change her mind about her underlying assumptions about Magic yet. We don’t even know what those assumptions fully are.

Idea that just popped into my head, and speaking of assumptions, it plays into the one that Tamara is the child of Robin and Marian. For this theory to be able to play out, I think Tamara would have had to have been in an Emma-esque situation, where either her pregnant mother, or herself as a baby, was sent to our world. Maybe the situation with a magical tree portal to save an unborn baby wasn’t the first time Blue had done it, and pregnant Marian, or Marian and baby Tamara got away. Tamara would have been told stories about her father and where their family came from and what happened to separate them. Then Marian died in our world, and Tamara ended up stuck in the “anger” phase of grieving, because her mother was gone and she never knew her father…which is the fault of magic. Perfect recruit for The Home Office. (I know this isn’t taking the grandmother into account, but let’s assume that she was the only person who Tamara had left after her mother died, but then grandma died too, and Tamara no longer had anyone to hold her accountable, so she threw herself full force into her current cause).

Anyway…if a situation like that proves true for Tamara’s history…then GOAT and Henry end up in FTL and run into long lost Papa Robin, he may be the one to trigger a change in Tamara and explain to her how wrong she is to have this vendetta against magic. Also, it would add tension between GOAT if Greg’s just discovered that his father died, but then Tamara gets reunited with hers, who she wasn’t even looking for.

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Unless the have unfinished business. Emma sends everyone to the EF, thinking the family can go after GOAT. But then they discover that GOAT has gone and the one portal Emma could open is closed and she’s drained. Enter Hook with this stolen bean and a ship to NL.

Hmmm, I suppose. I dunno, I still think that sending everyone in town via an Emma created portal is a task beyond them though. How would they even coordinate such a thing in a very short space of time? Put a flier on the town notice board saying: “Everyone who wants to go back to FTL, please report to the former bean field promptly at 2pm, at which time Emma will attempt to open a massive portal for you all to jump into. Yes we know, she doesn’t have full control of her powers yet, but we’re sure it’ll be safe. We’re not coming ourselves just yet, but hope to meet you on the other side one day soon. We’ll find you, promise. *fingers crossed* Much love, from your fearless leaders, TeamCharmings.”

Alternatively, if Emma could conjure up some, “Send them all back with the exclusion of this shortlist”, type spell, similar to how Regina’s curse swept up everyone and a few others she added in, then how would Hook still be in SB to come to their rescue when they realise they have no options left? He wouldn’t have been included on the shortlist of those to be kept while everyone else got sent away.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Emma sends them all to the EF and then they get on the JR and go.

I’m not convinced that Emma has enough knowledge and control over her powers to be able to create an extreme portal that can safely transport 1000s of people to a specific place. Also, if she can fix up that portal that will transport 1000s of people at once, then what do a small group of them need to get together on the ship for, because couldn’t she just do the same trick for them that she did for everyone else?

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I think she also has different power than Regina and Rumple. Neither of them are true love incarnate.

Yep, when Regina says that nothing can stop the failsafe, she’s saying that without knowledge of Emma’s powers. Same deal with The Home Office saying it. It’s like when we don’t have a cure for a disease, so we say it’s incurable, but then there’s a new method of treatment discovered and everyone’s thinking on the subject changes. Emma is the antidote to this disease. And the only person who will know it will be Rumple, because he keeps telling Emma that her magic is unique and more powerful than she knows. If they go to ask him for advice, he’ll surely point to Emma’s magic as being the only thing able to save them all.

And then she’ll tap into her power just in time to save the whole town, (I’m not believing it’s vanishing unless and until I see it happen. How would they show The Home Office carrying out SB related activities in season 3 if there’s no SB, and no presence of SBers in our world anymore?).

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

Just saying since we see both Regina & Emma there. We know Regina can’t do it on her own and I’ve seen other various things where some things are just SO powerful that it takes good & evil fighting on the same side to stop them/it. Just throwing it out as a possibility, that the two of them together (someone who has practiced dark magic for a long time, and someone with new, untapped good magic that is super powerful because of being the product of true love) might be enough.

This is a cool idea, and I think it will be true to an extent, but ultimately it will come down to just Emma to shut the failsafe down. Even if it’s Emma’s magic that finishes it, it’s Regina’s magic that will keep it stable long enough for Emma to get a clue that she’s the one who needs to do it. So in the end, SB can’t be saved without them and their magic working together.

There’s a shot in the promo of Emma standing there with her hands in front of her like she’s holding something, only there’s nothing there as far as I can see, and she’s got a dumbfounded expression. My bet is that that’s right after she takes the failsafe in her hands and it implodes and she’s standing there all, “What the crap did I just do?! Did that seriously just happen?!” Then I think the bit of the Charmings hugging will be right after that, because they’re celebrating that SB has been saved. The bit with Regina saying she can’t contain it much longer is her saying to Emma, “Honey, if you’re gonna try your magic on this thing, pull your finger out already!!”

@LaurieAnne wrote:

Rumple: I agree that he is going to be grieving. Maybe his brokenness is what makes Belle regain her memories – or it could also be the destruction of the town is causing all the cursed personalities to go away.

Oooo, tying this into what I was saying above, maybe when Emma destroys the failsafe, that zaps something in Belle’s (and Sneezy’s) brain? What if Emma destroying the failsafe destroys all the magic in town? Or at the very least, any magic that’s connected to Regina somehow, so anything tied to the curse, like the false memories, will be destroyed.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

I wonder if the destruction of Storybrooke is stopped which is why GOAT have to use a magic bean to escape. Perhaps kidnapping Henry is GOAT’s insurance policy since they know the Dark One will be after them for what happened to Bae.

Maybe I’m just in extreme denial over the prospect of SB vanishing, but I agree that the destruction plan will fizzle out, (when Emma’s magic saves the day and deactivates the failsafe). In the scene where they activate the failsafe, GOAT are in suicide bomber mode all, “We’re willing to die for our cause,” but then later they’re leaving town via portal. Does not compute.

So I think their original plan to destroy the place has to go wrong, and then knowing that the whole of SB and all the magical beings therein will be out for their blood if they stay anywhere in this world, GOAT snatch Henry to use as a bargaining chip to save their asses, and flee to another world.

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@MysteryKat25 wrote:

They haven’t been mishmashing the canon Disney couples so I’d like to think that whoever Ariel ends up with has to be Eric in some way shape or form, but I’m warming to the idea that it *could* be Hook

Part of my ponderings on what they could do with this is that they make Killian be of a noble bloodline, but his parents were killed when he was young and he ran away so he wasn’t killed too, changed his name so no one would find him, and he grew up to become a pirate. That way, if he’s the one Ariel saves from drowning, it still holds true that she technically saved a prince. 😉

It does sound like Ariel will be connected to Neverland though so it’s likely there will be lots of interaction for people to use for the ship if it looks viable. Not sure why he’d have spent 100+ years near her and ignored her til now, she must be verrrrry patient or have hated him for a time / not had much to do with him ever, and then new circumstances change things perhaps.

Also part of my ponderings, and this ties into Anderson’s more depressing version of the story. In that version, the prince falls in love with and marries someone other than the mermaid, (an actual person, not Ursula in disguise trying to trick him into it). A play on that theme could be Killian already having given his heart away to Milah, and if he lost her not long before he meets Ariel, the poor girl stood no chance, trying to compete with a ghost and his lust for revenge.

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If it turns out that GOAT’s mystery boss who they don’t even really know is a 15 year old having a tantrum who’s been ordering them around, I will laugh. 😛

Seriously though:
“We’re only going to meet one person this year who will definitely be in season 3,”…

I find it hard to believe we won’t see Wendy in season 3, even if she was just regular old Wendy, because Wendy is a significant literary character from the fave story of the creators of this show. There’s no way she was a one shot appearance…

Whoever GOAT is working for will have to be seen in season 3…

Therefore, if I’m expecting to see more of Wendy, she’s that “one person who will definitely be in season 3” who will be revealed as someone who GOAT are working for.

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