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I’d have thought that those two questions go hand in hand. Surely his identity will govern his motivations and loyalties.

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It IS exciting. 🙂 I’d figured we’d see Oz at some point, considering the flying monkeys are in the book and one of the doors in the hat obviously led there. Good to have it more or less confirmed by someone who knows someone.

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@Surayya wrote:

Phee If you pause ep one when the camera pans around to show the tree being made into a wardrobe, the wardrobe IS the tree- its just been hollowed out & the doors are made from part of the hollowed out stuff, it was never chopped up & turned into an actual wardrobe in fact it appears it never even was removed from the cart they wheeled it into the council room with- so I just dont get where your interpretation of vessel is coming from re Pino/wardrobe, the BF speech has no context what so ever that could be taken as human vessel that I can work out.

Yes I know it’s just the hollowed out tree, that was pretty obvious. LOL Blue Fairy said a vessel made from that tree. “Vessel” can mean various things, including someone’s body. She didn’t specify what kind of vessels made from this tree, in what form, would offer protection. In this case, it just made sense to hollow it out and slap some doors on it and that’s the particular type of vessel that was made. That doesn’t exclude other vessels having been made from the tree at some previous point in time.

@Surayya wrote:

Also SW says ” the wardrobe, it only takes 1″ & “you have to send her through” Sounds like they already new the curse was going to transport them all & that the wardrobe was going to transport their child as well.

Which doesn’t necessarily exclude the fact that that transportation ability wasn’t a separate spell. If Blue Fairy WAS the one responsible for the spell that actually transported, she’s not gonna go around telling everyone that she can do that, coz then everyone will be bugging her to save them, and it’s not everyone’s destiny to be saved yet.

@Surayya wrote:

If Pino was made from that same tree & he was protected from the curse, fine I’d buy that- BUT he’d NOT have to be transported anywhere then as the curse (or EQ) took ALL FTL folk & plonked them in our non magical world, to live cursed lives – stripping them of their happy endings etc.
So to me if he’s protected from the effects of the curse, he’d still have been transported like everything else (remember the glass coffin is in our world as well, so it stands to reason Everything in FTL came-

If he was immune to the curse due to being made from the tree which was immune to the curse, then I don’t think the curse would have picked him up and plonked him down in our world. We haven’t seen the tree stump wardrobe in our world either. If we had, then obviously this theory of mine wouldn’t hold water because that would mean that the enchanted tree and anything made from it was still subjected to the curse. But unless and until we’re shown that, what I’m saying is still a valid possibility.

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(Emma had to get AWAY from the EQ as she is the only one who can stop her, Not Pino, so EQ will hardly be looking for a non cursed Pino if he was indeed protected from the curse & so would not have needed transporting out of SB).

Well, the other part of my speculation is that Pinocchio was also sent as a protector for Emma, so someone would definitely be there to find her by the roadside, and someone who knows FTL to be true would be an adult along with Emma and could convince her it’s all real, to help her save them all. Which is exactly what August has been doing since he came to Storybrooke. So in keeping with that particular theory, YES he needed to be transported to the same place as Emma, he couldn’t have just been sent to Storybrooke.

@Surayya wrote:

I do have to wonder tho why it is Gep would have gone looking for away to save his boy if he was already protected from the curse?

Well, that goes back to my idea about the kid potentially being left stranded in a destroyed FTL. Of course Geppetto wouldn’t want that for his son.

@Surayya wrote:

At the end of the day if you REALLLLLLLLY want August (or any character for that matter) to be someone, you’ll find away to make any situation ‘prove’ whatever theory you want it to 😉

Not gonna lie, pretty much every time someone comes up with reasons to debunk the Pinocchio theory, when I think it through, it usually just ends up just making me believe it even more. 😆 None of the other theories about his identity make much sense to me, but Pinocchio does. If he IS someone else though, and the writers give me a plausible explanation for it, I’ll get over being wrong and will still love the character of August.

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@Sam993 wrote:

I don’t know if someone mention this, but after watching the promo for about a trillion times it looks like Mr. Gold is pushing August towards a tree, not stabbing him. I thought he was stabbing him.

It may just end up being that August comes for him, Mr Gold grabs his arm and wrenches it behind his back to protect himself and disarm August. This is the type of scene where a split second out of it can be very misleading, so we’ll just hafta wait for it to play out in full.

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@Midnight Dreary wrote:

These people asked for the world, so Rumpel made sure that they would pay with the thing that meant the world to them.

As he did, if he lost his son because of something to do with the Dark One curse.

He knows there are consequences to wanting a magical solution to your big problem. He lived it. So he always makes sure people know up front that there’s a price to pay. Zoso never afforded him that courtesy, he didn’t know that he’d have to pay a huge price, he thought it’d just get him what he wanted.

So if these people are desperate and dumb enough to still make the deal, even when he’s told them there’s a price, then that’s on them. Not like he didn’t warn ’em.

It’s kinda like he’s trying to keep some sort of karmic balance. He HAS to make his deals, whether it’s an OCD thing where he can’t help himself, or it’s just because people won’t leave him alone and keep asking him for stuff. So if he HAS to do it, at least he can try and do it in a somewhat moral way, (look at me rationalising baby stealing, oh Rumpy, what you do to me LOL).

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@charming wrote:

we cannot in our predictions or theories talk for the characters or suggest things to they are fact when it is based on speculation to start with.

Speculation that Kathryn may have stumbled over the threshold and as such could have remembered is based on the fact that her car was right where that threshold is. If all we can discuss about the show is hard facts we have, that takes half the fun out of the whole experience of the show IMO.

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@hjbau wrote:

Dr. Whale has only spoken to Regina, Ruby, Mary, Emma, David, Kathryn. I think that is it. Maybe some extras at the party and some nurses.

Excluding Ruby, his association with those other characters is exactly why I think he was EQ’s minion in FTL. So far pretty much all we’ve seen him do is help Regina by throwing spanners in the works of Mary and David being able to be together.

@Surayya wrote:

Now he looked SERIOUSLY uncomfortable being snapped talking to Ruby & seemed to be trying to justify it.

I just figured that was because he’d been busted trying to chat someone up by the person he recently had a one night stand with. Awkward much?!

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@rumplegoldfan wrote:

This is one of the reasons I think that Rumple/Gold’s plan is do away with all magic completely, the whole “all magic comes with a price” idea. There is really no easy way to deal with any of this in SB without doing away with magic. It’s one thing to remember who you are and what happened to you if you have the ability to use magic but entirely another if you remember and don’t have magic – then it’s really just . . . life.

It could actually be really interesting to see how the characters would handle themselves without magic. They would have all the same grudges and alliances but they would have to find new ways to deal with everything – it would be kind of like a soap opera on steroids.

Agreed! It’d be really interesting to see them having to solve their magically induced grudges without the use of magic.

@Dorothy wrote:

I honestly don’t think the theory of Rumple/Gold wanting to get rid of magic really makes any sense. Magic was that guy’s trade, it gave him power. Why would he want to get rid of it?

Because he never really wanted that power to begin with, his son didn’t like him having it and over the centuries he’d grown weary of having to deal with stupid people who never listened to him when he’d tell them that all magic comes with a price. He’s doing them ALL a favour if he rids their world of magic, because no good comes from it.

@weedith wrote:

It will be interesting to see how relationships might change in light of Storybrooke events. Seriously, I don’t see how Snow can forgive Charming for losing faith in her and believing she would kill Kathryn.

This is a complex situation and it’ll be interesting to see which way they go with it. On the one hand, I could totally understand Snow finding that hard to come to terms with. On the other hand, if she considers the conditions it happened under, maybe she’d understand a bit easier.

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@hjbau wrote:

Regina is the Evil Queen so i don’t think that it has any application to real life adoption or step mothers. I wouldn’t over think that.

Yeah, I know – I have issues with how Disney handles those things. My point was that it will be interesting to see how they handle the issue of Regina and Henry. Even in a Fairy Tale Television scenario it will be a bit odd to have them suddenly take Henry away from Regina – he’s been her son for 10 years and even if she isn’t a warm and fuzzy mommy, she has still raised him. Turning him over to Emma, who really isn’t a mom at this point just seems strange.

This is kind of just a technicality, but is she actually legally his mother? I’m thinking that when Mr Gold procures a baby for the Evil Queen’s alternate persona to raise in a town that doesn’t really exist as far as the outside world is concerned, there’s not really any legit adoption paperwork involved. That doesn’t negate the fact that she raised him as his mother of course, so that relationship still exists, even without the paperwork. But if it comes down to Henry wanting to go back to his bio mother, would his adoptive mother actually be able to stop him?

Maybe this is what the spoilers about August showing Emma how she could regain custody are about? If he tries to convince her of the fairytale stuff, in doing so he'll point out that Regina actually has no legal claim to Henry.

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@weedith wrote:

So do you think Regina’s whole plan was about hurting Snow and everybody else is just collateral damage?

Yep, that’s pretty much how I see it. Snow was her real focus, she’s the one Regina needed to ruin so desperately that she killed her own father to make it happen. So really, the whole point of casting the curse was to tear Snow and Charming apart. It’s just an added bonus that she got to mess everyone else up a bit too, but they’re not her main concern.

Also, all the other men in town aren’t as screwed up as Charming, because he’d been in a coma since they arrived there. Without his conscious brain being active, and living out his new, fake life, the fake memories never got a workout, so they didn’t take hold properly, and there’s still the ghost of who he really is holding on inside his head. He legitimately IS in two minds when it comes to Kathryn and Mary. So I don’t think his actions can really be compared to those of any other man in town.

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Emma certainly has Alice-esque qualities, but I think we’ll get an actual Alice on the show at some point. The illustration of Alice with the Caterpillar is in Henry’s book, which suggests we’ll see some events from the original story play out. Hope we see the tea party coz Jefferson drugging Emma just doesn’t cut it. 😛

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