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[Jenna_B]

Ok, so I just read the last 10 pages…I think I’m fairly decently caught up…?!

To me, A&E have used the last three seasons to define concepts integral to the overall story.  We have defined ‘family,’ ‘hope,’ and ‘home’ – which, to me are the 3 biggest concepts so far.  Next, I think we’re going to take those concepts to further look at the concept of ‘true love’.  I suspect, with what we know about S4, we’re going to see more emphasis on true love that is not romantic.  We’ve seen in S1 and S3, when Emma and Regina each broke a curse with TL kiss with Henry, so in OUAT-verse, we have learned TL is not limited to romantic love.  I would assume, since A&E have confirmed Elsa does not have a romantic partner, they’re going to use Frozen to introduce a healthy sibling relationship.  I’m hoping we see the show re-focus on Henry as a central character, since everyone and their mother is related to the kid, and watch various characters’ relationships with Henry develop – primarily his relationship with Rumple.

In regard to the romantic love – Snowing:  co-dependent to the point of ridiculousness, and frankly, I’m hoping their parenting skills develop with the lil Royal.  I do find their actions regarding Emma to be unrealistic.    As a parent, I don’t care who I’m saving or why I’m doing it, there is NO WAY I’m sticking my kid in some tree thing to send them to goodness knows where.  While I don’t think Snow’s desire to have another child because they missed out on raising Emma is as heinous as some do, I DO have a huge problem with Snow’s declaration that she would stay in NL with Charming as opposed to return to SB with Emma.  I don’t know why they tend to portray Snow as totally turning a blind eye to their decisions regarding Emma, or what Emma went through as a result.  I hope we do learn more about it, because IF I had given up my child, only to learn their childhood was – at best – miserable and lonely, and see that as an adult they’re barely capable of functioning emotionally…my duty is to my child.  Snowing need to realize they made some huge errors in judgment – and that’s putting it mildly.  The more I think about it, those decisions are almost as bad as some of the decisions the villains have made….(probably unpopular thought, I know)

Which is probably why I don’t tend to have the same issues with the villains that some do.  Yes, if we ran into Rumple, Regina or Hook in our world, we wouldn’t be forgiving of them AT ALL.  However, when you look at their actions in the context of the EF, for me, they’re a little more acceptable.  I think Regina and Hook have worked far more diligently to redeem themselves than Rumple.  Yes, they’ve backslid and no, neither one is by any means a saint.  But I think their desire to turn their lives around for those they love is far stronger than Rumple’s.  So –

CaptainSwan — at this point, I’m ok with what Emma & Hook have divulged to each other and what they haven’t.  I think they know each other well…they know they have more to learn, and I think they know there’s also a lot of negative to be learned about each other – whether it be their own actions, or experiences that inhibit them from fully functioning in a romantic relationship.  There’s only so much you can learn about someone – I’ve been with my husband for 7 years; I know the kind of person he is, and I know most of his stories and what makes him the person he is, but I certainly don’t know everything.  In every kind of relationship, you are constantly learning about the other person.

Outlaw Queen — the ‘because the pixie dust told me so’ justification is, indeed, weak.  I think I can buy Outlaw Queen, not because pixie dust says they’re TL, but because they ARE in the beginning of a relationship.  It’s new and until Marian came back, they hadn’t moved past the ‘honeymoon stage’ where everything is roses and wonderful and love is love and blah blah let’s-make-everyone-around-us-vomit.  I do buy the instant attraction – and even the snippets of the lost year in the EF that we’ve seen show 2 people who are attracted to each other, though begrudgingly.  I don’t buy they’re actually in love yet, because I don’t buy the whole pixie dust is omniscient spiel.  And they’re obviously about to hit a huge….hurdle….in their relationship.

RumBelle — Belle, Belle, Belle.  I do actually find this relationship toxic.  Firstly, because the thing that sets villain Rumple aside from villains Regina and Hook – again, for me – is that Rumple really has no desire to change, and certainly hasn’t done anything to change.  I think he feels perfectly justified in killing Zelena and lying to Belle.  Because Belle has allowed this from the very beginning.  As mentioned, Belle DOES know a lot of what Rumple has done – and she is well aware of what are possibly the worst things he’s done – kill the mother of his own child, and abandon that child in favor of his power.  Say what you will about Hook and Regina – to me, I do believe at this point in time, that Regina would give anything and everything for Henry, and Hook for Emma.  Belle has that same ‘blind eye’ that Snow has — and to me, if she continues to turn a blind eye to Rumple’s present-day actions, then said blindness is just as bad as the evil actions themselves.  Rumple’s actions regarding Zelena are not justifyable in my opinion – because I don’t think it’s what Neal would have wanted!  If someone would have huge issue with you avenging their death by killing the person you blame for said death, then you’re avenging nothing; that killing is the same as killing some random stranger on the street with no motive (not that killing is justifyable at all…but for purposes of the argument).

And with that I end my ridiculously long post.

[Epona_610]

I came across this on Tumblr…I definitely agree. 😉

Edward Kitsis: You want to see Emma and Hook rent a movie and stay home?

CSers: 

[RumplesGirl]

Fan Pandering, PR and Marketing, that is ALL it is about anymore. Adam’s goal is to pump up the premier numbers, so they can show that to executives /marketing advertisers and hope fans will stick around past the glitz and pomp of Frozen.

Hence why he even included ships that have literally never existed as canon. #FrankeWolf #HookedQueen (and yes, #SwanQueen if we’re being honest since they’ve never been canon either)

its a sad statement really that they have nothing for Belle or Emma that isn’t tied in significant ways to their romantic relationships.

Wow, never thought of that but yeah it is. I have no idea what else they could have included for Emma because all of them tie back to Neal–the pendant, the car, the dreamcatcher, Henry, even potentially her jacket. She has no symbol that doesn’t tie back to Neal.

IT’S LIKE IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY OR SOMETHING

but I’m really a more critical audience member.

I’m a bitter audience member, myself

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

Fan Pandering, PR and Marketing, that is ALL  it is about anymore.  Adam’s goal is to pump up  the premier numbers, so they can show that to executives /marketing advertisers and hope fans will stick around past the glitz and pomp of Frozen.  So he wants to be sure to enrage and thus engage the base of hardcore fans who blow up social media, which means in turn, trying to get an emotional response out of  CS and SQ fans.   He wants to inspire people to tweet, to vote in polls and make graphics and do all the free advertising  fans will do when they’re in the zone of thinking such activities might matter in some way.  So its a win-win for him to  type  #swanfire and because if it lures back any fans who liked Neal and rooted for him to earn back Emma’s trust, good, and  otherwise, its kind of like cracking a whip on a slow moving horse, riles up the fans who thought everything was going great, makes them sweat for a brief moment.

The Swan Necklace thing, that too is probably meaningless because its just a symbol of Emma, and its a sad statement really that they have nothing for Belle or Emma that isn’t tied in significant ways to their romantic relationships.  Emma’s worn her circle necklace from the start, but that hasn’t been imbued with meaning of some kind–like, maybe the first thing she bought for herself off her first bounty.  Or maybe  the first thing she stole.  Heck, even Owen gave Regina a key chain –why have we never seen Henry give Emma some thing that becomes a talisman for her ( Owen/Regina was  totally creepy, but I’m saying if you’re going to have an object of significance  in this story, you might expect one to pop up for a relationship that’s been portrayed as magically and thematically  important, even defining for Emma as a character, that is motherhood).  Snow has a bow and arrow, Charming his sword–and–we’ve seen Emma wave her guns around, but somehow,  they aren’t her symbol.

I loved Macy’s theory–and if I were GA or a hardcore “have faith” shipper, I probably would be trying to make sense of things along those lines–but I’m really a more critical audience member.  So I’m not sure what the patterns mean, but there are no shortage of patterns to see in this show and maybe that’s just something like the Rorshach test, a condition of human cognition to try to make sense of randomness.

In Season 1, the writers had a “moral compass” character in  Archie “cricket” Hopper, but by Season 2, they ran out of story for him.   He was demoted to recurring then to random guest star by season 3.  In Season 2, they promoted Ruby/Red, with a hope to expand her character, before they got busy on a new direction that had no room for her in their story (the actress’s paraphrased words of the showrunner’s words).  I wouldn’t say she was precisely a moral compass type, but there was something in her that despite seeing darkness had her generally being a good sort of person.  Season 3 of course, gave us  the promise of an expanded story for Neal,  another person who had a hard life but remained basically good–and that too was not a story the writers wanted to focus upon.  So I’m not holding my breath for anything good for Will/Socha to come out of his inclusion in Season 4, but maybe the Knave will work better to create challenges for the main characters without being a  drag on the story for the writers   .  I don’t think the writers knowingly set out to write it this way, but they are limited somewhat by the characters they’ve chosen as their main ones, the way they frame the narrative so much on “misunderstood” villains, romance and all that.

So its easier for the writers to see which way the fan winds blow, then craft a story around what they think will pull in viewers–but harder if they try to make sure that new bit of story really tracks with the choices they’ve made to focus on various characters/objects/themes in previous seasons.  Taken as a whole then, the story meanders a good deal on things that become insignificant, while not having time to devote to characters/interactions that ought to have been more important and significant given later events.  I find it frustrating as a viewer–but only because I’m trying to make sense of things rather than just watching and forgetting previous events selectively as they fit or do not with  the new narrative direction.

 

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[kpercyman]

If fate continues its true course, Marian should be killed indirectly by Regina. Isn’t that the way it goes? Marian was going to be burned to death by Regina’s ruling, but was saved by Emma. Now “Fate” is angry and Marian will die “again” at Regina’s hands.

That is just how I expect it to go. Regina may not be malicious this time, it will probably be an accident, but I see Marian’s days numbered. Poor Roland!

[WickedRegal]

If Regina does any thing bad to Marian, or something bad happens to Marian because of Regina, that would officially kill OutlawQueen dead in the water for me. Regina would literally be usurping Marian’s place in Robin’s life then lying to him about it which makes her kind of crazy stalkerish.

And at the end of the day….it would still be somewhat Emma’s fault! Hook warned her, Rumple warned her, did she not watch Back to the Freaking Future? Apparently not, because she would have known to never tamper with the past! Good deed or not, you never tamper with the past. Yes, she saved herself and her parents romance, the Snowing Family gets their happily ever after yet again, oh but can never get it without somehow managing to screw up Regina’s in the process.

Bravo Female White Lineage….Always manage to screw up a Mills woman’s life! Bravo!

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[RumplesGirl]

My darling Ranchers! I miss you guys!! I’ve been without internet for over a week now and it appears I’ll be without for yet another week.

HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

I’m totally unaware of what’s been happening in Once Land or any land for that matter

Not much going on. Adam and ABC like twisting the knife into the heart of SFers. Adam tweeted he hoped we would all be tuning in to see 401, and tagged it #SwanFire (and then did the same with other ships). Emma’s official promo poster for S4 is the swan pendant which we all have conflicting feelings over.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[textbookone]

Having been GA for a lot longer than any other kind of fan, I’d be inclined to agree with them, but unfortunately I’ve seen all the interviews and the drama that went down over season 3 and it’s just tainted that faith in a Happily Ever After beyond repair. Maybe if Emma had shown some hope herself in bringing Neal back, then maybe I could have bought into that idea, but she told Rumple to let him stay dead. That alone shows they don’t want him, they don’t want me, and having hope from that point out is likely just an exercise in getting my heart broken all over again. Leaving behind the nice warm innocent world of the GA was potentially the worst thing I’ve ever done fandom wise (though it brought me to my Ranchers, so the good outweighs the bad overall). Now I’m just on the Conspiracy Train, and it’s taken me way too far from the GA path to enjoy the show that way ever again.

Co-Mayor of Sad Town | Twin of Co-Mayor of Sad Town | #HopeforRogueBison

[RumplesGirl]

Ranisha Pitts wrote:

Oh le sigh, why do the GA have more faith then we do….

Because they believe what the show taught them in S1 still applies. They’re largely untainted. The GA, like Henry in S1 and S2, still believe that “good always wins,” that Henry’s family is different “because they always find each other” and that fairytales are all about hope. Logically, the GA concludes, that if there were a way to bring back Rumple and Charming, then surely there is a way to bring back Neal. Yet, the GA is largely unaware of the amount of fan service going on and have failed to realize the show is now more about style than about substance.

Yeah, that.

Poor GA. Poor poor poor GA. They will realize it soon enough.

Happy Tuesday

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Ranisha Pitts]

Friend at work: “so since Once upon a time season three is on Netflix I am all caught up.”
Me: “awesome! I am still not over Neal’s death… My poor Baeby.”
Friend: “Seems like they set it up like he’ll come back.”
Me: “don’t I wish, I doubt it though.”
Friend: “nah.. They are gonna bring him back.”
Me: “awww, your sweet and I love your optimism… As much as I would do a jig if Neal came back; I don’t think it’ll happen. All those wasted could have been moments. I don’t even care if he and Emma were together or not.. I just want Neal back… For Rumple and Henry.. He’ll be back but only in flashbacks..”
Friend: “he’ll be back for real. Alive and well”

http://eevylynn.tumblr.com/post/97633732577/friend-at-work-so-since-once-upon-a-time-season

Oh le sigh, why do the GA have more faith then we do….

"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."