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We were talking about this earlier in the chat today. It does bother me, I’ll admit. I asked something like, “what was she supposed to do? Have an affair?” There is no love between Regina and Leo. He married her in order for Snow to have a mother and I actually really doubt that Leo and Regina ever had sexual intercourse outside of that first night. That’s not the way he thought of her. But does that justify Tink’s actions and if Regina had followed through? I don’t know, in all honesty. She was the Queen. If she would have been found out, she probably would have been either divorced and put aside at best or (a la Henry 8th) had her head chopped off. But..she was miserable. I have to say that. She was miserable. And Tink was trying to show that she could have love again, after Regina thought no one could ever love her again.
It’s a moral dilemma I agree.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In reply to: 304 Promo!!
The plot is moving along at a speedy pace on Once Upon a Time Season 3, and we couldn’t be happier to see the action keep coming. Fortunately, based on the promo for Season 3, Episode 4: “Nasty Habits” things aren’t going to slow down next week.
What can we expect now that the gang in Neverland have made a tentative ally out of Tinker Bell and Neal has found his way to the world’s least hospitable island? We’ve picked over the promo to see what clues it reveals.
A map in the sky. The promo opens with the gang looking up a starry sky. “It’s a map,” Hook comments. “To where?” Charming wonders. “Home,” Emma replies with a smile. Question: Isn’t it a little early to think about heading home? We’re pretty sure there’s a certain lost son everyone should be trying to find…
The Lost Boys get their dance on. At :05, and then throughout the promo, the Lost Boys are doing something that looks like a war dance (or maybe just a for-fun dance?) while Peter Pan looks on because, let’s be real, Peter isn’t going to get up and start doing a jig. That would take away from his uber-creepy factor. He does, however, play an instrument at :14.
Attack? At :05 Neal pulls a crossbow on the Lost Boys, but Peter Pan seem to spot him, and looks at unimpressed. That’s followed by a shot of Charming saying it’s time to put their rescue mission into action, and everyone else getting prepared.
Rumple’s back! Also, he’s covered in war paint (amazing), and has some wise words: “You can only beat him if you’re willing to die, which I am.”
Rumple and Nealfire reunited? It kind of looks like Rumple is talking to Nealfire in that scene. Are they reunited? It certainly looks like it at :18, where they appear to be doing some father-son spear throwing. Sounds like a normal bonding activity to us.
Snow finds out about Charming’s wound! And, no, she’s not happy about it. “If you die, I would not be able to move on,” she declares to her husband at :16. Welp, good thing he’s a main character on a family friendly TV show, then. We have a feeling he’ll find a cure.
“There is no escaping Neverland.” Or so Peter angrily tells Nealfire at the end of the promo.
http://www.wetpaint.com/once-upon-a-time/articles/2013-10-14-season-3-episode-4-spoilers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NTtJt6r8pU#t=33
In reply to: Sneaky Fairy
Tinkerbell had no idea who Regina was. When she said, “I was helping someone!” Blue seemed like that was enough to forgive being late and all the other mishaps. But when she found out it was Regina–even though Tink was innocent and didn’t know Regina’s backstory–it didn’t matter. That made it unforgivable.
I definitely think this ep gave us so much more to go on with puppetmaster Blue. I think she wanted Regina to cast the curse and is working with PP so “save” belief and magic in all the lands. Blue is basically doing whatever she has to do for the “greater good”.
I think the same sneaky fairy who broke up Dreamy and Nova also parted Neal & Emma “for the greater good”.
Don’t think she’s necessarily Evil, but is willing to count the cost and move on with the plan. Magic is dying. Her unbelief in Tink was ALL it took and the only reason why Tink could no longer be a fairy. What I took away from that scene is that it wasn’t even something Blue could help; it’s that belief is that powerful. Her unbelief in Tink took away Tink’s wings. Thus the running theme on belief running low…
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
Completely agree.
For the record: I do love Bae. It’s Neal I have massive concerns about, especially with how desperate he’s already becoming and how desperate he’s likely to be if/when he joins them and finds Emma being close to Hook (even without picking up on a romantic connection he’s probably not going to like it, especially since his mission right now is to say he loves her which she is sooo not ready to hear at the moment).
I can defend just about any character and want them to find redemption and love and happiness so it drives me a little nuts when Hook is painted with this horrible brush but Regina and Rumple’s actions (which are far worse) are just glossed over. If they can ditch their pasts and focus on who they are today (which uh, includes Regina VERY RECENTLY trying to kill everyone in SB, and Rumple beating the Sheriff of Nottingham to a pulp for kissing his girlfriend), I think Hook is actually in a very good spot, seeing as how he’s given up everything to help Emma and the rest of them when they have given him NO reason to do so.
Hook has it bad and he is all about Emma. It’s OBVIOUS and adorable and feels so right I can’t wait to watch it play out more and more each week! Even when he’s helping others he’s keeping an eye on her and being HELPFUL just like he always said he would be! He’s trusting her and believing in her and they are a TEAM. He’s not bossing her around or telling her what’s best for her. He has ideas and opinions just like she does and sometimes she goes along with his and sometimes he goes along with hers. It’s beautiful and parallels Snowing so well! (But in a more realistic, real-world sorta way without the gushy factor of Snowing – don’t get me wrong, they have their moments and I love them, but that’s not Emma).
I’m seriously concerned about Roland! What are the odds he doesn’t try to summon it again? He’s a little kid!
I completely agree that Snow is a little preoccupied with Charming right now and looks to be even moreso in the near future so she’s able to block out more of what she thinks is a non-issue. I mean, Hook and Emma are sitting together right in front of her and she’s just wrapped up in Charming’s arms and doesn’t even notice. She didn’t have anything to say about what Hook said during Emma’s speech either. It amuses me to no end that it doesn’t even cross her mind that Emma is sitting a little too close to Hook AFTER Regina made that comment. (I would be staying so far away from him if someone just said that to me about someone I wasn’t interested in! ESPECIALLY if my mom – and let’s face it, dad too cause Charming totally heard! – were that close by and might start wondering if Regina had a point.)
To her, it’s literally just Hook being Hook, flirting, not noticing the genuine and sincere moments they’re off having together, and her facial reaction to Regina’s comment was one of surprise and then her interpretation of why it was inappropriate of Regina to have said which, as I’ve said before, is a little optimistic and hopeful that happy endings means getting back with 1st love cause that’s how it was for her. We’ve already seen Rumple/Milah which Neal/Emma were paralleled to WITHIN Manhattan and just because they were married and had a kid didn’t mean they got back together and Rumple was clearly meant for Belle!) I really really want Snow to talk to Emma though and ask if there was any truth to it and gauge Emma’s reaction to that without Regina around. (And I’d love for Tink to do the same with Hook since they know each other. It’s not like Hook can confide in Charming about his daughter!)
My only concern is that Emma is SO focused right now that she may not be noticing a lot of the little things. She’s like her mother and actions speak louder than words but if she’s not paying attention to all the times Hook has had her back or done nice little things for her, she may be more clouded when Neal gets to them.
I really hope she drills him though because they have a lot of issues that need to be addressed and it needs to be a clean choice that doesn’t waver when she does decide between them. I want her to get her answers and I’m sure somewhere down the line, she will forgive him like she will forgive Snowing, but forgiveness does not have to equal going back to a relationship with him.
I do think she will be upset with his methods of getting there as her whole story arc this year is about being a mother and what that means. I don’t think she’ll look too kindly on putting Roland in danger, and if she doesn’t think of it at first (depending on how HE tells the story, who knows what details will be left in and he’ll probably say it was totally harmless….), then if something DOES happen where Roland ends up in NL with them (or Robin Hood in his place), then I could see her not being happy about that at all. She’s fully embracing mother status right now and risking a kid to take the easy way to get to NL to save your own kid? Not something she would do or be ok with.
She’s definitely going to be all kinds of flustered and not know what to do for awhile and will put up her walls and focus on Henry, but I still have faith that eventually she’ll see just how good Hook is for her and that they make a great TEAM. She can forgive Neal and he’ll always be a part of her life, but they’ve already shown that that’s possible, whereas we’ve seen Hook give up absolutely everything for her and slowly but surely, recapture the trust that was broken because she assumed he’d do exactly what Neal did, and instead he’s surprising her every step of the way and being true to his word, something that, like love, has been “all too rare” in her life. Something that he has known about her from the moment they met, and still wants to know more. This is NOT a fling for him and they are bending over backwards to make it clear that he has genuine feelings for her. How people still aren’t getting that I do not know.
If I hear the argument “Neal only has eyes for Emma” one more time I’m going to throw something. Seriously? SO DOES HOOK. They are SHOWING us this. Every time she’s nearby, unless he has to look away to address someone else, he is right by her side, supporting her decisions and watching her adoringly (and in an adorable manner!). He has given up his revenge, he’s lost his ship (his HOME), he let his worst enemy come along for the ride, he’s looking out for her family, trying to win over her dad, and is doing anything he can to comfort her and knows exactly what she needs for that to happen. He gets her. They are kindred spirits and I have faith that somewhere down the line, she’ll realize how good she has it with him and know that THIS is what love is supposed to be like.
I still maintain that if Henry were the product of true love, Pan wouldn’t have dismissed Emma’s power as nothing and he would have just added it to why Henry is SO special. We keep being told that Emma is powerful because she’s the product of true love so don’t you think that would have been made a big deal of it if that were why Henry were special? They had the perfect opportunity to shut down the triangle by saying that. Or by Pan trying to literally take the heart of the truest believer and not being able to.
They didn’t have to show us Hook getting close to Emma. They don’t have to show us Hook declaring he fancies her or making it obvious and they don’t have to show us every little reaction he has to her all the time or him genuinely being able to make her smile and trust in him back. They sure didn’t have to have Regina call him out as her boyfriend. They WANT us to think that way. That’s why they keep showing them to us in the same frame, side-by-side, closer every week. We already know we have a kiss to look forward to! Why go to ALL that effort of showing Hook actually redeeming himself and getting closer to her and her family if it’s all for nothing? Why build it up SO much over the first few episodes just to trash it all because Neal is alive and there?
Many people didn’t see anything good in Hook until the end of last season. I expect many more probably won’t see anything redeeming until we get his backstory from BEFORE he was a pirate (and I swear, if people can love Desperate Souls & Stable Boy, they better darn well appreciate Good Form because I can’t stand the hypocritical nature of this fandom sometimes. If it’s ok for people to want Rumple to go back to who he was, and Regina to be who she was, then why not Killian??
If they wanted to just redeem him and go find his love elsewhere, they could have given Hook/Emma moments a much more FRIENDLY vibe and he CERTAINLY would not have been announcing that he fancies her, or watching every move she makes, or focusing only on her. He could have bonded more with Regina (they had that talk on the ship about villains finding their happy endings – and then showed him staring at Emma…). Instead he’s sticking close to Emma every step of the way even though they’re all in this together. They could definitely have given it more of a buddy vibe to the point where Regina wouldn’t have picked up on anything because there would have been nothing to pick up on.
A&E have already compared Hook to Han Solo which I agree with as well (though I mostly compare him to Westley from Princess Bride). I seriously doubt that they’re setting up Hook to fall for the lost princess only to lose out in a triangle. After all, Han was understanding about why Leia might choose differently, only in their case she had a VERY good reason not to (only he didn’t know that at the time). I expect an epic love story for Hook since they wanted him in in season 1 and the best way to do that is to pair him with Emma. Perfect match. (And scoundrels like Han/Hook do love their feisty princesses!)
Seriously cannot wait to see the context of the kiss! We’ve only seen Emma kiss Graham in present day and it took her awhile to get to that point and some denial along the way (sound familiar?). With everything she’s been through, she’s finally opening up to someone again and from the tweets of the writer in question, it sounds like it will be AMAZING! I hope that means nobody interferes though…as far as I can tell, Snowing’s 1st kiss was when Charming tried to break the curse of the memory-wiping potion in an “actions speak louder than words” scene followed by proving that he meant it, then having their REAL first kiss right after that (as in, she felt it too) so I’m wondering if maybe Hook will do something that conclusively proves to Emma that he’s in this and then they kiss? CANNOT WAIT. I NEED THIS NOW.
Headcanons have been going crazy between the possibilities with future pixie dust use, where Tink’s loyalties really lie, Hook’s background, and the kiss . So much excitement just from the first 3 episodes! Seriously loving this season and so glad we get a lot of episodes in a row. I don’t think my heart could take it if we had a break right now!
So many good possibilities for CaptainSwan right now and I refuse to believe that Neal coming back magically negates EVERYTHING we’ve been shown this season. There was just no point otherwise! They know how rabid this fandom is and I’m sure they’re getting tons of hate mail after last night. I can’t imagine that they would actually build up something THIS much and spend the entire season so far building up to even more to just throw it all away. They have enough parts of the fandom mad at them for stuff they never intended to imply. I don’t think they’d go to all this effort of showing Hook be very obviously interested in Emma and having them bonding to just throw it aside and say it was meaningless.
We’ve believed in Emma and Hook from Day 1 and have no reason to give up hope now. Faith, trust, and pixie dust, right? 😀
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
In reply to: Caption Thread
Charming: Let me help you, best friend of mine.
Neal: You know, Henry, both your grandfather and I are older than we look.
Henry: Will I look as good as you when I’m 200 years old?
Neal: Maybe.
Charming: You can let go. I’ve got Rumple. He is my bestest best friend after all.
Neal: Nah, you’re alright, mate. He’s my father, I’ll handle him.
Charming: No, I insist!
Rumple: Stop pulling me around!
Rumple: You know, I think I’ll walk the rest of the way by myself.
Neal: Now, now Dad, no need to be stubborn.
Neal: There you go, Dad, we’ve reached the truck.
Charming: With my assistance of course!
Charming: There, there, Rumple, everything’s going to be okay.
Rumple: Please don’t touch me.
Snow: Charming, I think you should give Rumplestiltskin some space.
Charming: How can you say that? I can’t leave him with him in the state he’s in!
Rumple: Please go.
Snow: I swear to God, Charming, if you don’t listen to me, I will make you sleep on the couch.
Charming: But Snow, Rumple’s my friend!
Snow: That’s it! You’re sleeping on the couch tonight.
Charming: That is so unfair!
Snow: Do you want to make it a week?
Charming: No I don’t, my darling, my love, light of my life……
Rumple: I’m in so much pain right now.
Emma: Oh stop moaning, we’ll get you to your shop soon.
Charming:…My precious, my treasure……All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIn reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
That is a huge compliment RG, but I swear I am not! I wish I had her style and panache with the GIF’s. She is an avowed Rumbeller but she is more neutral to indifferent on CS/SF so nice to see her take.
I think how fans view Neal goes back to the “low expectations” bar for Baddies versus Goodies, combined with the weird karma in this show. That reminds me of the post that Screwball Reblogged: http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/59639330618/a-creative-spark-set-afire-acceptable-ways-to
Snow tells a secret at 12 years old and loses her father, her kingdom, and the first 28 years of her child’s life, but gets talked about by fans as if she is super-pampered and never had anything bad happen so that it is easy for her to be good. When she kills Cora, she gets a huge black spot and fans call her such a hypocrite. Then, Regina curses untold millions, kills and kidnaps children, enslaves Graham and gets a heart that pulses nice and red with her love for Henry. It ought to have looked way more black and oozey but nope. And as fans, we cheer that Regina might be on a path of redemption, because she helped fix the mess with the fail-safe, and now she points out to TB that cost of darkness.
Every small slide and fall for grace of the Goodies, we hiss and spit, but every small step of good or just not being as evil as possible, we as fans in general meet with tons of smiles and cheers.
I truly hope the writers do not “listen to the fans” in the sense of continuing to give a pass in terms of the reactions of characters to each other for past bad behavior of any characters. Neal owned his mistakes, tries to minimize the costs to others, and is pretty clearly aware that he cannot just waltz in and expect that Emma will let him back in because she said she loved him when he thought she was dying. At least, that was how I took what he was saying about wanting to try. I do want to see him be accountable for his choices, absolutely, and let it help him repair his relationship with his father too. I will however be very unimpressed with the writing if in the course of all this, Regina and Hook are suddenly hand waived into goodness, and all their past flaws forgotten. The same with Rumple.
Neal is not motivated by the urgency of confessing his feelings so much, but he knows the only reason Emma would be in NL is that Henry would be there, and that if Henry is there, that both of them would be in IMMINENT danger. I felt there was a shift in his seriousness about his quest after he saw that image of Emma in NL. It’s the danger that caused him to be more panicked about getting there as opposed to just eager. Even TinkerBelle says to Regina that it might be “too late” because Pan’s had Henry a few days. Time is totally of the essence for Neal, and while I do think that made him a bit desperate, I don’t feel it really reached a level beyond what we have seen Snow, Charming, Aurora or others who are basically still considered good do.
So I am glad it seems from spoilers that
Neal actually meets up with Rumple first, because as much as I want to see Neal win Emma, his focus too should be on Henry because really, all the love stuff can wait. I don’t want Neal to wait so long that Emma once again doubts his love….he needs to Tell Her About It (cue the Billy Joel!) , early and often. In the same patient way that Snow is approaching Emma. Emma is not going to be badgered by relentless assaults into letting her walls down.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
In reply to: Caption Thread
Henry: You sure Captain Hook doesn’t mind us borrowing his ship to go home?
Neal: Nah. He’s spending time with his beloved floor, he’s happy.
Emma: So you told Belle you’re dying yet?
Rumple: No, and I’m not going to.
Emma: Seriously? You’re not going to tell your girlfriend that you are dying?
Rumple: That’s what I said.
Rumple: Don’t give me that look.
Emma: How do you think Belle will react if you die without telling her?
Rumple: She’ll probably find a way to bring me back to life so she can kill me all over again.
Rumple: I don’t want to upset her.
Emma: She’s going to be upset either way, you need to tell her.All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIn reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
Sorry about the spoilers RG, sometimes completely forget to check before I post!!!
On the Neal thing, I just want to say one last thing about it and then i’m done, i’m seeing a lot of stuff on tumblr about how the situation was managed so that Roland would be safe. I disagree completely naturally. You can’t be absolutely certain that your plan is going to work, you just can’t. Some of the blame does lie on RH of course, allowing himself to be manipulated.
The bottom line of it for me is that Neal dangled Roland like a carrot for the Shadow to come and get, and I just wish some people would stop trying to sugar coat it. I understand Neal’s motivations, yes, but at the end of the day, there was nothing honourable, moral, selfless, noble, taking-the-hard-path or anything else admirable about his actions.
I’m pretty sure that the JR5 are going to find out about it, especially if RH makes it to NL, and I don’t think Emma will look favourably on those actions. But that’s just in my opinion.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
The “Nasty Habits” and “Good Form” comparison thing will only work if Rumple and Bae are paralleled in 3×04. I think they will be though. Again, I could be wrong! Although I called the upcoming kiss just after 3×02 and we got confirmation on Saturday (99% sure with the tweet from Matt) that we’re getting a CS kiss. We called that 3×02 would be a Snowing/Captain Swan parallel. I have to be honest, even though we CSers analyse the crap out of everything we have very often been right.
We’re going to get a conversation about Emma between Tink and Killian soon, i’m pretty sure about that too. I CANNOT wait to see how much he reveals to her. And 3×05 is going to be SO FREAKING AMAZING i’m pretty sure I won’t be able to sleep the night before with excitement for the kiss. I REALLY hope too, like I said, that Emma will be the one to initiate it.
Oh yes, as to the Pan “not a coincidence” thing, well I think it’s fairly obvious that the Emma and Neal pairing was orchestrated, possibly by Pan himself, especially with the line from Manhattan about “forces greater than us” if you get my drift. Henry isn’t a TL child, I feel that Pan would have said it if he was, he knows a heck of a lot about things he shouldn’t.
The Roland thing definitely isn’t over, all magic, which A+E equated to taking the “easy way out” has a price, and it looks like poor Roland will pay it. I suppose RH has to meet up with Regina somehow, and that’s the only way I can see it happening.
I’m not too worried about Snow’s reaction to CS, although I think that Charming will be more receptive to the pairing than she is at first. Snow is too full of compassion and empathy to hold out for long, LOOK how many “second” chances she gave Regina! Although she isn’t going to notice any time soon, not with Charming telling her he’s dying next week.
Don’t worry, we’re going to get some stuff for CS next week, even if it’s subtle. They’re building up to a KISS after all, and trying to establish a triangle. Even if I don’t think that triangle will be an equilateral one, if you get my drift. Emma is going to chose Killian. I have 10000% faith. It’ll take a while, but we’ll get there!
Seriously, when they kiss, I don’t think my brain will be able to function for at least a week afterwards.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
In reply to: Jane Espenson Tweets About 303
What I would love to know is, how could Rumple know Emmas last name, yet he needed Snow to tell him her first name -.- like i know he can only see parts if the future but still.
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