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[MysteryKat25]

Very interesting points!

I would have thought environment would have altered Bae’s life moreso than the actual genes changing. He was raised (not for very long but in a very traumatic way) under darkness and it clearly stuck with him.

I’ve actually been waiting for him to change quite a lot since he’s not really acting like the Bae we know and love, but he’s not quite as…deranged? as I expected him to be after going through what he did. It’s almost like his personality change was on hold too, not just his age for a long time. At first he seemed to stay his normal sweet self.

Even after coming to our world, he only did what he had to to survive and wanted what everybody else did: a home. He considered the Darlings his family (I hope we get more on that later cause he wasn’t there for very long). Then all of a sudden he *seems* be just a nice thief but is now getting DESPERATE like his father and we know what desperate souls are capable of as we’ve seen it many times before.

I was shocked and dismayed when he used Roland as bait. It was a good plan and a great way to get to NL but we know there are technically other ways like beans even though they’re rare and he supposedly used the last one centuries ago. He listed off a multitude of ways to get there though and chose to take the easiest path that put a young boy in danger so that he *might* be able to get to his little boy. Seriously?

It wouldn’t surprise me to see him becoming more like his dad before coming back down from it. I just feel like he’s never really behaved like he had gone through all of that stuff except for whining about it (and Henry can be the same way which concerns me at times but he’s mostly good). I think Henry’s light is far more effective than the dark he gets from Rumple & Bae but they are prone to it more and Henry knows the consequences of it better. That said, who knows what will happen with him should he become a desperate soul himself someday! After all, the kid who is apparently supposed to save magic tried to blow it up once!

COMPLETELY AGREE about Tink. There is most likely some major unrequited love going on, or they’re friends and they both seem a little flirty but she is bound to know his history and she’ll have to realize that he gave all of that up for EMMA and we know he never gave it up for Tink. Basically, Tink is our Cora as in, she clearly didn’t matter or Rumple wouldn’t be with Belle. NO WORRIES!

From her outside perspective, it HAD to look like 2 couples in front of her. She doesn’t know anything except Hook and Regina and she was watching Hook & Emma where Hook COULD NOT TAKE HIS EYES off her and was being HELPFUL again (and beyond adorable – the man has it bad and it is SO obvious!).

Captain Eala – that is a beautiful epiphany! You’re absolutely right. Nasty Habits is supposed to be very Rumple centric but it now looks like it will mostly be a Rumple/his dad, Rumple/Neal parallel story where we get something on all 3 of them and it does have an interesting name. They could have outright used Bad Habits or they could have picked something else, so this is a little…off to the side? Probably recognizing that they need to stop being this way but at the same time, still not allowing themselves to fully give it up either. Just acknowledging that it’s not a good way to do things does not make one stop and they have all had good reasons to. I think the fact that it is back to back with Good Form which is Hook’s ep will be big!

To me, it’s too early for Rumple to completely give everything up. I don’t think seeing his son show up there will do anything but give him someone to team up with (finally) but since Neal is getting desperate and his father thinks he’s going there to die so will do whatever it takes to save Henry, I’ll be SHOCKED if their plan involves doing anything the “right” way or the “hard” way and it could easily help one or both of them spiral. I don’t think Neal would ever get to the point that Rumple is in since he’s hated it SO much for hundreds of years…but he’s embracing magic and sympathizing more with his dad now than he ever did so…it’s at least a possibility.

Good Form on the other hand…bring onnnnnnn the captain! I really really want to know more about Hook’s backstory and I think we’re supposed to find out why he and Emma are such kindred spirits! I’m still holding out hope that he’s a bit like Westley from Princess Bride. He’s always had that Dread Pirate Roberts vibe for me and I love the idea that maybe as a kid he was just a farm boy that got swept up in sailing the seas with his dad who then abandoned him. It would be a nice little tie-in with Charming having been a shepherd and I still think that Killian was good and then was led down a middle-of-the-road path with his dad and then the pirate thing. He was never a saint as a pirate but he has a code and we haven’t seen anything to suggest otherwise. Emma brings out the genuine goodness in him (and the genuine smiles which I am totally loving!). Can’t wait to see his backstory so that we can find more parallels!

LOVE the fact that these two episodes are back to back! It makes for good comparing/contrasting. Last season we had them within the same episode and compared within how they were with her but this should branch it out even more. Interesting that they’re doing it in that order. Wonder how everything connects to present day. We won’t get a really good comparison for present day until he reunites with the group and Emma can actually SEE the difference in how she’s treated under the same circumstances, but Hook has been gaining tons of subtle points during the trip so far and she has to know he’s got her back no matter what and she doesn’t have to doubt that. I think when Neal shows up and things get very tense, especially if he berates her for even spending time or looking chummy with Hook, she’s more likely to blow up and acknowledge that he doesn’t know her now and she’s not that 17 year old anymore. I see her being given a lot of reason to defend Hook unless Hook and Bae ended up on better terms than we saw.

SO excited for these next couple of episodes especially! This season has been amazing so far and the more info we get on both guys the better. I’m hoping that an epic love story for Emma becomes more and more obvious down the line to the point where it’s inevitable that they’re proven as True Love. ALL we have seen this season for Hook is how devoted he is to Emma and is doing anything and everything he can to help and doing it in the RIGHT way and sometimes taking the tough route to get there but being 100% supportive of Emma and not only looking out for her but her loved ones as well. He’ll have a bond with at least Charming by the time Neal shows up which can only help us cause I’d like to think Charming would look at it and back Emma up that Hook has been helpful. Especially if he starts observing Emma with Neal and gets concerned after seeing her treated SO well by Hook.

I don’t think Charming and Snow have any idea what Emma’s been through with him. Snow has to realize that Emma was panicked when she saw him and that she didn’t want him anywhere near Henry but apparently that got tossed out the window and Snow is blind to Hook because she just doesn’t want him near her little girl. She doesn’t KNOW the past so she can’t really compare either way. She’s only ever seen Neal as engaged to Tamara and being good with his kid (which he  mostly is). To Snow, it would unite the dysfunctional family and bring PEACE between them all and Rumple. Did I mention how much she doesn’t like Hook? He’ll have to grow on her but I think once she sees Emma and Neal together a bit more, especially now that Neal too is going around professing how he cares for Emma, Snow might get a different idea – especially if Emma asks for details on just HOW he got to NL or brings up any of their history really. He’s been avoiding it even in his confessions to Mulan so I’m not sure why I should think he’d give straight answers now with Rumple in his ear (and you know he will be since he sees him first).

As for the “roasted swan” thing – Rumple didn’t know about Bae’s relationship with Emma…AT ALL. If anything, it was a line about Regina going up against a Swan. Where the roasted part comes in I’m not sure, but I agree that it was anything but romantic since the swan was dead and about to be eaten. The only thing I could think of was what we’ve talked about with Emma rising from the ashes in Phoenix after her jailtime and coming back stronger and becoming a force to be reckoned with but I really think the reason it amused Rumple was because it was the only victory Regina would have over a swan. 

I’m really liking the idea of Henry being “the balance between good and evil.” It makes total sense that he would be the one that would be able to save magic because it would save both dark and light magic. Makes me think of Charmed and how sometimes they’d have to get help from the other side to contain something super powerful. Sometimes you need someone in the middle that is neutral so that one side or the other doesn’t get too much power.

It’ll be interesting to see how things work out since Dark One Rumple can be pretty intense, especially without Belle around to bring him down a notch. Likewise, Snowing is so “infuriatingly optimistic” and good most of the time and then Bae & Emma are borderline in between but starting to embrace who they really are which could..go a lot of ways. Emma is borderline embracing being a hero and the savior and is all about doing things the right way vs the easy way right now which tips her to the light scale (not that she was ever really dark even when doubting herself and panicking) and now we have Bae who could easily slip into his father’s shoes now that he’s so understanding of it and making highly questionable decisions like risking Roland’s life. I don’t think he’ll slip quite so far down like Rumple has since he grew up hating it so much, but if he’s starting to understand and sympathize with and make similar choices without thinking about the consequences, it could become a problem. I hope he doesn’t, but we’ll have to wait and see. Since Emma does lead toward the side of light like her parents, even if she’s not quite on their level, it would stand to reason that if Henry is some balance between the two sides that Neal wouldn’t exactly be leaning toward light. PP did say that Henry’s mother didn’t meet “the spawn of the Dark One” by accident so there must be something to it. He may not be as bad as Rumple, but he’s starting down a slippery slope that has me concerned.

(Who else thinks the Roland thing isn’t over yet? I mean, the kid was about to say the words before they were ready for him to. He is FOUR. It made something crazy happen just by saying the words. He’s now sleeping under the window. What are the odds that he DOESN’T say it again and risk getting taken to NL? I’m seriously concerned! He’s adorable, and he’s Robin Hood’s son which means that eventually, Regina will be in the picture as well. I can’t imagine ANYONE from the JR5 being ok with the kid being put at risk. I’m wondering if Roland DOE S call out again and Robin somehow goes in his place to save him. It could be how Robin Hood & Regina meet since we know they’re supposed to be soul mates. But I’m seriously worried about the kid).

Here’s hoping we get something good next week again, even if it’s just subtle little moments or knowing looks from some of the group! Regina’s boyfriend comment is bound to get under somebody’s skin, especially if Snow does start paying more attention to them and trying to figure out what Regina was thinking. She’s been ignoring it so far, too preoccupied with Charming I guess lol, but I could see her asking Emma if there’s something she wanted to tell her. We didn’t even SEE Emma’s reaction to Snow saying that Neal just died, we saw Regina’s. Emma didn’t exactly say Regina was wrong either…she just kept quiet, but she definitely was NOT trying to stay away from Hook after that to get rid of that impression!

I’m going to be optimistic since I love the show AND the ship that next week will be good. We’ve seen seeing our ship slowly building but making lots of headway this season and on the bright side, we get a promo next week for the ep we’ve all been waiting for! So excited!

[RumplesGirl]

For those who love Screwball Ninja: I messaged her on Tumblr and asked her about her take on the NealfireBaitGate (all credit to Phee for that) and this is what she said:

Anonymous asked: Hi Screwball. First off, I kind of adore you. I really liked 303 this week but I was wondering what you thought of Neal’s plan to use little Roland as “bait” for the Shadow? Is this keeping with his overall character? Is he becoming a bit like Rumple–desperate souls do desperate things? Just wanna know what your take is.

 

And I have fond feelings towards you too, Anon!

I was actually perfectly fine with Neal’s plan for using Robin Hood’s kid as bait for the Shadow, mostly because Neal:

1. Talked it out with Robin Hood and got his consent
2. Agreed to sensible restrictions to the plan (the kid says the magic phrase only once)
3. Had a back-up plan in the form of perpetual bad-ass Mulan
4. Has experience defending other people from the Shadow (see his heroics with Wendy and the young Darlings)

Plus, though Neal was heavy on the emotional manipulation with good old Robin, when Robin initially said no, Neal’s response was to … ask again nicely. There was no coercion involved at ALL, even in something so important as Neal getting to see his love and son who are in mortal peril. If Robin Hood had flat-out refused to help, I think Neal would have just looked for another way. Rumple, on the other hand, in the same situation would have magicked young Roland away and used him as bait against his will. For all his faults, Neal is only violent in DEFENSE of people— and I love that about him.

The whole Neal/Robin discussion basically went like this:

Neal: Hey, can we use your adorable kid as bait so I can rescue my family?

Robin: I say, old chap, this plan seems rather fraught with peril, what?

Neal: But we’re cool dads! You can’t break the Cool Dad code! *bats eyelashes, pouts*

Robin: No, no, not the puppy face! Anything but that! Fine, I’ll do it.

So yes, I usually give the side-eye at child endangerment— but this incident gets a pass for parental consent and good planning. Carry on, Neal.

http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/64034188648/hi-screwball-first-off-i-kind-of-adore-you-i-really

In the notes for that, someone pointed out that no one raised an alarm when they uses Henry to communicate with Aurora and Snow until after he had been injured. Good point. 🙂 Ok, carry on.

(also suspicious that KFC is really Screwball Ninja)

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[runaroundmacy]

I LOVED this episode!!! Everybody has already listed all of my favorite parts except for the conversation Regina and Emma had in the jungle. Regina knowing Tinkerbell wouldn’t help them if she saw her, and being willing to let everyone go on without her if it would save Henry.

 

“Operation Henry. That’s what I’m calling it in my head”

 

FEELS! Literally brought tears to my eyes. Regina is truly changing, and I’m so excited for her arc this season. And I don’t think I’ve ever said that. I’m really rooting for her to find love and happiness this season.

Keeper of the Cheshire Cat’s smile, Baelfire’s sword, Snow’s backpack, Robin Hood’s bow, Ariel’s purse, Ariel’s smile, Henry’s heart, Belle’s shoe collection

[Captain Eala]

That was my initial reaction but when you stop and think about what Jane said and how cancer works it makes sense. Cancer can be caused by a mutation in your genes. Like when something in the environment causes a change and you genes become altered in the cancerous cell and that cell multiplies like crazy. Certain chemicals and radiation can do that. Sometimes the gene is already there and somewhat dormant and than triggered by something. Think the breast cancer gene.

Yep I agree. And I should know, since I use chemistry everyday for a living. Lol.

I just had an EPIPHANY earlier. Well it’s not that amazing. I was talking about next weeks episode being a Neal/Rumple centered episode and how it will probably be paralleling their “Nasty Habits”. And then I said that there would be a contrast with episode 5, which is called “Good Form” and is a Killian (and Emma?) centered episode.

The names of the episodes are the complete opposites of each other. Perfect for comparison/contrast. And isn’t that interesting? 😉

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[RumplesGirl]

They just need time with each other. ZOMG. Total Swanfire feels about this interview and forgiveness. The history will not be erased, and no one expect that, but Emma is totally capable of forgiveness for both Snowing and Nealfire!

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

JMo interview from NYCC…

From about the 4:25 mark…

Interviewer – You have a connection between Hook and Ema, but then Neal is still out there. So what can you tease about what we’ll see?

JMo – Emma still doesn’t know that Neal is alive at the point we’re seeing in the show right now. Ummm, so nothing really changes until she knows that he’s alive and she will find out at some point that he’s not dead. But until that happens, she’s really just staying focused on trying to save Henry, and everything else just feels sort of…you know of course it’s flattering that someone is interest and whatever, but it’s not even registering with her because she’s concerned about saving her child and I guess it just heightens the dynamic of everything going on that Hook is the one that’s helping her right now, and Hook is the one that’s present, and he’s the one who’s sort of surprising her by following through with what he promises to do, and seems to be doing this selflessly instead of selfishly. So she’s definitely taken aback by how different he is to what she expected, and she still thinks that Neal is dead, but in her mind all of it’s irrelevant and she’s trying to get to Henry.

She’s gonna be thrown for such a loop when Neal shows up. I can’t wait!

There’s also some good stuff earlier in the interview about how Emma feels about her parents and forgiving them and stuff, which is also interesting from a SF forgiveness perspective.

[RumplesGirl]

You’re remembering right, he took the dynamite to the well in the hope of blowing up magic and destroying it. Something else Henry has said before though, is that he wants to be a hero in a story, so it jumped right out at me when Pan actually told him he was gonna be a hero.

Peter is very good at knowing how to exploit people. Last week it was Emma, this week Henry. So is PP lying? Possibly. He needs Henry to hand over that heart (figurative or literal) willingly and that means playing on Henry’s desire to be a hero.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[tabsicle]

How does Gold know Peter Pan? What is their history?
Im on board with them being brothers

Why does Peter Pan want Henry’s heart? Why does he need the “heart of the truest believer”?
I believe that magic is draining from the world because people do not believe due to lack if imagination due to technology. I believe pp needs Henry to start a domino effect and get others to believe to restore the Nevertree which will restore pixie dust and it will be the key for emma and co to get home

What happened to Maid Marian?
I am on board with her dying because that was the price of using the magic wand. I don’t think she died in child birth tho I think she was sepperated from Robin and Roland when the curse hit by the dome Cora put over part of the land.and that she died that way
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Time to hide your crazy, and start acting like a lady.

[kfchimera]

Favorites:

Blue and “Green”, and how Sneaky Fairy lives, with Blue doing what she does the way she does it!

Tink in general, she was perfect!

Roast Swan

Reveal of Regina’s pixie-dust love connection– we so called that! ReHooooooo!  Question though, has fate changed from what it would have been at that time? Has Regina become such a different person that she can no longer be true soul-mates with Robin, or was it the case that had she gone in there they would not yet be right, and will be down the road?  So many ways they could write that.

Snow revealing she has not always been a pampered princess.  (I wonder why she doesn’t just tell Emma about her own sad experiences, but then I guess it would smack of the whole “I had it worse, uhill both ways” thing, because while she did have loving parents for awhile, she then ended up with someone actively trying to kill her and having murdered those loving parents).

 

Least Favorites:

Charming not telling Snow

Neal’s plan to get to NL

 

So about Neal’s plan, I agree with what RG and Phee say here. This tarnished what could have been a shining moment for him, but I agree it is setting him up to be able to understand his father’s desperation better.  As RG said, we have seen many characters do questionable things, some outright bad acts and more gray situations like Snow using the candle to kill Cora or Charming shooting a cannon at the Mermaids, being willing to threaten to  fillet until Snow chided him, and in my opinion, letting Regina go free and risking the entire town to save her.

We have to remember Mulan searched with Emma and Snow for a portal and knew that there really were not an abundance of ways to travel between realms.  Neal did come up with the plan quickly, did remind Robin of the debt, but Mulan and the others also went along, plus Mulan did have her magic sword. There were three adults.  Neal knew very well what the Shadow was like, and I thought you had to go willingly with the Shadow, which was how Bae made a deal with it to take just him, not the Darling boys as a child.  If the Shadow were unstoppable, I do not think Neal would have risked Roland but he was fairly sure they would be able to stop it.  I also noted that Neal was worried enough about Roland being safe that he almost missed catching the Shadow.   Mulan yells at him to  go and then he jumps OUT of the window to get to it.   Still not my favorite moment, but it did highlight Robin’s bravery, though why they would have the boy sleep under the same window seems like more than infuriating optimism but conviction in goodness like Belle, (maybe that is why he’d fall for Regina, despite her reputation and history?)

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

Whenever Henry’s been referred to (in interviews and stuff) as the product of both light and dark magic, I’ve always figured they meant in a nature/nurture kinda way, where he gets the light from Emma and the dark from Regina. But calling Neal the spawn of the Dark One does make it sound like they’re referring to darkness in Rumple.

Yeah that was a confusing part. But they’ve always said that Henry is the product of both light and dark magic. I think it can mean Regina but I agree that it might have a lot to do with something that happened to Rumple as a child.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"