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I thought this was actually a pretty good episode, with some great performances (mostly Lana and Bobby). Lana hits it out of the ballpark as both EQ and Regina. 7/10
Liked
Lana as EQ is a delight, terror that she is.
There is an effort, however shoddy sometimes, to address the stuff that’s at the core of OUAT, which is this issue of the relationship between reality, text, and imagination. Ok, the sequel stuff Henry was saying is a little silly, but points for at least trying to lace the plot through with the conceptual universe. Beats looking for magic mushrooms in the swamp.
Despite the pretty flat flashbacks, there is that small town feel again, and I actually don’t mind the sense of “mystery” and “not is all as it seems” that they’re trying to recreate.
I didn’t hate Hook. For the first time in, like, ever. He actually apologized to Belle, and was a decent, level-headed human. He was also not dominating every singly conversation.
Mixed:
Archie — it’s nice to have him back, and great that Emma is going to see him, but there’s something that feels shady about him.
Disliked
The Count of Monte Cristo story was not particularly interesting or well done, but at least it was contained to a single episode. Also, “Your eyes… Oh, thank you…” Telegraphic romance is telegraphic.
The whole Belle thing, and that stuff about wanting to do well by her son (Mofetus the amazing Oedipal child), just feels really flat and not engaging to me. There are literally no stakes to this story anymore. There’s nothing likable about the kid, and nothing particularly likable or salvageable about the relationship, in the way it’s been presented. At this point, I’m not even rooting for Rumple to sacrifice himself for his family and redeem himself — been there, done that. The only way I feel Rumple’s story will wrap up satisfyingly is if he’s reunited with Neal in the afterlife.
Oh for the love of all that is holy, why are they retconning the Rumple/Regina dynamic? That’s just not right. And sure, Bobby and Lana can pull it off because they’re amazing actors, but this just gives me the same kind of icky creeps as the Zelena/Rumple thing. If they want to throw in some more wrenches into the Rumbelle squeaky wheel, why not come up with a love interest for Rumple who isn’t, actually, symbolically or actually his kin?
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It’s Archie. He’s heard how it plays, and now he’s going to act it out.
Naturally. LOL!
My cookies are on Emma–her scared, orphan self that she must kill in order to finally be at peace with herself. She’s having an identity crisis and the season will end with her killing the part of her identity that keeps her from embracing everything around her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Rating: 7/10
Liked:
Regina relating to the Land of Untold Stories and making them feel at home in Storybrooke!
Lana enjoying herself playing the Evil Queen in flashback and present day! She’s clearly having a blast!
The “Really B-” Look on Snow and Charming’s face when Regina explained to them who she hired to kill them. XD
Archie trying to help Emma during her therapy session. This session is long overdue!
The Mills/Charming moment at Granny’s!
Okay…Hook acknowledging and being remorseful about what he did to Belle! A step in the right direction!
Zelena’s snark along with Evil Queen/Rumplestilskin Scenes are always a bonus!
The Count is such a tragic figure, I really sort of feel sorry for him.
Double Dose of RegalBeliever…yes!!!!!! “Hi Sweetie…Mommy’s Back!”
Bobby as Mr. Gold and Rumplestilskin is golden! No matter what!
Regina fighting to save Snowing’s Life and trying to save the Count’s Life…she’s come so far!! But this conflict between the Evil Queen and Regina is so interesting!
EQ sing-songing like Rumple the “Tear yourselves apart”….I’m living for this!
Henry trying to explain sequels…
“You know how much I admire the ability to keep a secret.” Lol! I’m enjoying the WickedSisters, but I’d much prefer if they split Zelena from the Wicked Witch.
Mixed:
Dear God…another Operation Name! When will it end!Glad that the Adventurous Snowing are back, but let’s be honest…Regina’s helped you this far and you instantly think she’s turned her back on you!
Disliked:
Nope…nope…nope! I cannot see Evil Queen trying to sleep with Mr. Gold, not another man her mother slept with and her sister tried to sleep with, not to mention they always gave father/daughter sort of vibes, it’s just too icky! Nope!"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
General: Mostly I thought this episode was pretty good. A bit better than last week’s, for me, because the scenes felt more cohesive and it felt like a traditional OUAT episode. The flashbacks were very dull but EQ vs Snow usually are post S2. Some really great performances from Bobby and Lana this week and some pleasant surprises.
About a 7.5/10
LIKED
–I like the idea of Zelena being temped to join the EQ because she’ll have someone like her. So much Zelena’s story is about loneliness and being alone in the world. It’s easy to see why she’d listen to the EQ.
–Eggy bread
–“I’m the Savior–if I can’t help people then who am I?”
–“Do you really want to hear about every time I tried to kill you?” It’s like the writers realize that no one wants to see any more EQ/Snow White flashbacks.
–Well, we’ve demanded an apology from Hook about all the horrors he’s inflicted on Belle over the years and we finally got one–and one that was free of snark and ego. Good for him. I am pleasantly surprised by this.
–Snow and Charming fighting the Count with ordinary objects = cool!
–Regina and Count’s swordfight was also well done.
–The people from the Land of Untold Stories aren’t the only ones with untold stories? And when those come out everyone will rip each other apart? Color me intrigued!
MIXED
–Many pretty costumes at the Count’s ball but is the Count from the EF? Cause the dresses worn are from a total different time period than what we see in the EF, even if the EQ did whip up a gown that looks closer to the Count’s time period.
–Rumple has a key to the Land of Untold Stories? How? Why? Remember when Rumple couldn’t make portals at all? But I guess he’s been shown to make portals more recently so it fits into recent “we don’t care anymore” canon.
–So Charming’s father is really dead. Okay, good, not retcon. But now it’s a murder mystery?
DISLIKED
–Operation Cobra part 2? Really? No.
–We’ve never met this handmaiden before but apparently she made herself indispensable to Snow! So much so that we’re going to throw a party for her!
–Emma trying to leave town with Snow and Charming: when has that ever worked without any sort of hindrance or consequence?? And what does the Count have to do with the barrier??
–The EQ’s evil-seduction of Rumple. MY EYES.
–The flashbacks overall were very meh. I would have much rather seen the actual Count of Monte Cristo story.
–How did Regina kill the Count when the EQ had his heart?
–Temple of Doom is not among the best sequels of all time, Henry. You disappoint me.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
I saw the pics, but I did saw anything specia about it, if is the pic about the pic you posted on filming thread, that was jmo And Lana walking to granny set i believe and even tho looks like they are holding hands, they are not. Sq fans were happy about those pics, but they fail to undersand tha SQ will never happen, at least not the one they want,they may get friendship and that is it, they should live in fanon and stop watching and paying attention to stuff, make like Sf they have their groups, most stopped watching and for them the real story is on fan fiction. Not to mention Colin interviews, where he speaks of marriage and of how hook will be a father figure to Henry. Also there are some spoilers, running around of someone that says has a inside of the show, that Adam said alreday was a lie, but who beliesve him at this point, when Colin sort of confirmed those spoilers in his interviews, the person says that even tho this is EQ and aladdin arcs, is a repetition of dark swan arc, it all envolves about CS, and emma realising that she wants her HE with hook, paralelling Alddin and jasmine with Cs and cs and henry becoming a family, in order to make Regina ally to EQ to destroy CS and get henry for herself and some other crap things, that the other couples will get more of the same, rumple is a devil, that even tho no end in writing the 1st part of the season, they already talking in writers room about a cs wedding for next part of the season, and some more other stuff about Zelena, so that at this point all fits into what they have been saying in interviews.
In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
THAT is what the real Henry would say. Jared tweeted in season two that Henry’s mom and dad had to end up together. Poor kid. I’m sure he got cyber bullied for saying his real opinion, so last year he adopted the pro-CS party line.
This newest tweet is rather interesting, what with the latest spoiler pics of Regina and Emma from 6×8.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In reply to: 602 – Sneak Peeks (1-3)
I don’t know if it’s a lame excuse or if it’s that Emma doesn’t want to give voice (to anyone who might be listening) to seeking help from a professional shrink (which says quite a lot about the appalling mental health attitudes in our country which is why I’m glad that Hook is actually encouraging Emma and not going on the defensive about her getting help from someone who isn’t him, which is what I expected).
Everything you all said. Also, the looks that the rest of the town gives Belle (in particular Regina and Snow) are kind of depressing. It’s that “Oh, look, it’s the local mafia boss’s wife, what’s she doing in here?” I mean, she’s technically family for crying out loud. I actually thought Hook came out the least obnoxious of the “heroes” here — and that’s saying something. To me it just confirms that Belle is always going to be treated as a pariah, when she’s not being used to further one of our “heroes'” goals. What a sad state of affairs.
Also, what’s up with the dudes with the harpoons in the background? “Call me Ishmael?”
In reply to: 602 – Sneak Peeks (1-3)
Ok, there is a weird element with regards to Belle–did any of them even know Belle had put herself under a sleeping curse? Or that Rumple had lost her box? And yeah, they did run out of the Underworld without anyone stopping to ask “hey, wait. What about Belle?”
Emma’s like all “I don’t want her there but I can’t say that to her face so I’m going to make up a lame excuse”.
I don’t know if it’s a lame excuse or if it’s that Emma doesn’t want to give voice (to anyone who might be listening) to seeking help from a professional shrink (which says quite a lot about the appalling mental health attitudes in our country which is why I’m glad that Hook is actually encouraging Emma and not going on the defensive about her getting help from someone who isn’t him, which is what I expected).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In reply to: 602 – Sneak Peeks (1-3)
The second sneak peek feels awkward to me. It feels like Belle assumes they tried to help her, and Emma acts like “oh crap, we forgot about her, let’s just not tell her that (cause then she’ll stop babysit my brother and I’ll be the one who has to do it).”.
Agreed. Hook actually comes off looking better in that scene than Emma does. It seemed to imply that Hook was suggesting Belle stay at Emma’s house (I’m assuming he’s living there as well) and Emma’s like all “I don’t want her there but I can’t say that to her face so I’m going to make up a lame excuse”. I’m also getting annoyed how articles are saying that Belle is trying to hide from Rumple and that he’s going to be really dark this season which implies that she’s afraid of him (with undertones that she’s trying to escape an abusive relationship) and that is not the case at all. Belle and Rumple have split and Belle is trying to find somewhere else to live. She was looking for a room at Granny’s (which Emma disparages with the mattress comment despite Granny being right there). It seems like Emma is all “You don’t want to stay at Granny’s but I don’t want you living with me”.
And it feels especially wrong that she tries to get help from two people who tried to kill her but never had any kind of remorse about it.
"All your questions are pointless"
In reply to: 602 – Sneak Peeks (1-3)
The second sneak peek feels awkward to me. It feels like Belle assumes they tried to help her, and Emma acts like “oh crap, we forgot about her, let’s just not tell her that (cause then she’ll stop babysit my brother and I’ll be the one who has to do it).”.
Agreed. Hook actually comes off looking better in that scene than Emma does. It seemed to imply that Hook was suggesting Belle stay at Emma’s house (I’m assuming he’s living there as well) and Emma’s like all “I don’t want her there but I can’t say that to her face so I’m going to make up a lame excuse”.
I’m also getting annoyed how articles are saying that Belle is trying to hide from Rumple and that he’s going to be really dark this season which implies that she’s afraid of him (with undertones that she’s trying to escape an abusive relationship) and that is not the case at all. Belle and Rumple have split and Belle is trying to find somewhere else to live. She was looking for a room at Granny’s (which Emma disparages with the mattress comment despite Granny being right there). It seems like Emma is all “You don’t want to stay at Granny’s but I don’t want you living with me”.
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