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In reply to: 602 – Script Teases
Please have Snow say something like, “Emma, gurl, I was battling malevolent, revengeful characters long before you were born. I am Snow White and I have a bow—I got this.”
Charming can just follow behind, like he does
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In reply to: 602 – Sneak Peeks (1-3)
The second sneak peek feels awkward to me. It feels like Belle assumes they tried to help her, and Emma acts like “oh crap, we forgot about her, let’s just not tell her that (cause then she’ll stop babysit my brother and I’ll be the one who has to do it).”.
"All your questions are pointless"
In reply to: EW 9/30 – Is there hope for Belle and Rumple?
“Every year I always remind our fans that he warned us in ‘Skin Deep’ he was a difficult man to love,” Kitsis says. “Every year people fall for him. When he reminds you of that, they get upset. This year will be no different.”
Yeah, but here’s the thing. You never actually let them have a break or make any kind of significant long lasting development. Like with Emma, you seem to be stuck in a pattern of writing that isn’t serving your characters or your narrative anymore. It’s nothing but push/pull with these two these days. It’s like there’s no light at the end of the tunnel because you refuse to evolve Rumple to his next obvious stage (redemption and no longer the Dark One–and even that one time you did, you undid by arc end!) Your pattern to writing some of these once complicated and vibrant characters is to reset them every season so that they’re undergoing the same issues just with different plot points. The lyrics change but the songs remain the same, in other words. People fall for Rumple because 1) you proved to us during S1-3A that he was a nuanced, complex character with extraordinary ability for love, self destruction, and selfish myopic gain all in one tiny scaly body and 2) every year you edge him a little bit closer to the tipping point of true character evolution only to dash it against the wall and have him return to sum zero because you find the concept of a good, trying to redeem himself, humble, heroic Rumple either confusing, baffling, impossible, boring or any combination thereof!
Stop blaming your audience.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In reply to: EW 9/30: Hook's Past Will Come Back To Haunt Him
Side note: what’s up with all the Colin/Hook interviews this week? It’s not this week is his centric nor is his centric close. Just a bit odd; would have thought we’d hear a lot more from Lana or JMo
Once Upon a Hook
Hook already suspects that Emma is hiding something from him — will that only intensify in the coming episode?
Yeah, she hasn’t told him the truth about her hand, and she hasn’t said anything about the vision that she had. Hook knows her so well that he can tell something is not right. The one thing that they’ve always had in their relationship is honesty — at times, they’ve even been brutally honest with each other. In hiding things from each other, they can tell when something is not right, so it will definitely play a big part in the coming episodes.Also, Hook and Emma don’t have honesty with each other. Hook never told Emma how he sold Baelfire into slavery, who Milha was or what he really did during the missing year. Emma didn’t tell Hook she had turned him into another dark one. She took his memories from Hook so he wouldn’t remember and act in revenge!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In reply to: EW 9/27 – Sean Maguire returning as Robin Hood
Hook is not a fan favorite. He is easily the most disliked character on the show.
Oh I disagree a bit. He’s the most polarizing, to be sure, but that stems from his overwhelming popularity back in his introduction and how people viewed him with Emma. I think in more recent years the dislike has become more vocal because more fandoms (ie: not just SQ and SF) have joined in but those those who loved Hook only love him more now and they are still a large portion of the fanbase.
You’re both right. He’s a base-breaker. Those who like him, LOVE him. Those who dislike him, HATE him. And he has only become more divisive over the years.
Pretty much that.
Also, Sean’s tweet is….interesting.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
Emma has to be underage when she stole the watchers otherwise the whole she was in juvy and her record was supposed to be sealed plot doesn’t make sense. Also, Henry is ten, not nine. I understand that the show is inconsistent on this matter, but Emma is underage, but so what. I don’t think it makes her relationship with Bae wrong in anyway because we have no idea how old he is.
No, that was something s1, that was wrong, even the info was wrong, that she was arrested in Boston bc she stole something from the family she was with, and that she was arrested in 1996, of course that she ,could have been arrested in her teens with 13 and then 18, but then again they said she henry then, which is wrong,bc Emma didn’t had henry when she was 13, also said in 206″ she was at least 18 bc like August said she went to a minor security facility not juvie.
In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
Emma has to be underage when she stole the watchers otherwise the whole she was in juvy and her record was supposed to be sealed plot doesn’t make sense. Also, Henry is ten, not nine. I understand that the show is inconsistent on this matter, but Emma is underage, but so what. I don’t think it makes her relationship with Bae wrong in anyway because we have no idea how old he is.
In reply to: EW 9/25 – Is Emma doomed?
if is EQ, Rumple, Jafar, Aladdin, or any other person, they will not be thinking, oh, cant be them, bc they are all to small, nope, they would not even remenber that part and if they are asked, they will probably say that was a simple vision, so not the real thing.
Ok, I’m going to be the dissenting voice, I guess. If you look at that footage, this isn’t in fact a very tall actor/stunt double (I was joking about Clegane of course) — it’s some kind of special effect that makes the hooded figure inhumanly large. I agree with you that this is a vision, so the real fight might not take this shape, but even if the size of Emma’s opponent is scaled down for the real fight, the metaphorical meaning of this huge hooded figure killing her is about an enemy that’s “larger than life” — something that appears absolutely unsurmountable. This is what makes me think it’s some kind of meta-nemesis, not just another regular villain. Unless there’s something we don’t know about Jafar. The reason I don’t think it’s either Rumple or Regina is because even if they’ve both been Emma’s antagonists at different points of the story, they have also always been her equals. There have been points where Emma had the upper hand, and vice versa, but all in all, this has always been a struggle between equals. Yes, there is a family and emotional connection with both characters, but the visual language of this scene is precisely not about familiarity: it’s about total otherness. Again, as a not so subtle visual metaphor, this seems to be about an enemy that’s augmented by whatever Emma profoundly fears, and lets face it, that’s not Rumple or EQ. She never really feared either of them, even when the odds were overwhelmingly against her, or they had the upper hand and she felt a sense of defeat
Well this is ouat, what happens in 601 can change by epi 605 or even sooner, another possibility she can be fighting death itself, grim reaper( that is some mythologies sometimes take a personalization of a Male or female) which would be hilarious if was that , bc grim reaper tv is always predicting cancellation or not from tv shows.
In reply to: EW 9/25 – Is Emma doomed?
if is EQ, Rumple, Jafar, Aladdin, or any other person, they will not be thinking, oh, cant be them, bc they are all to small, nope, they would not even remenber that part and if they are asked, they will probably say that was a simple vision, so not the real thing.
Ok, I’m going to be the dissenting voice, I guess. If you look at that footage, this isn’t in fact a very tall actor/stunt double (I was joking about Clegane of course) — it’s some kind of special effect that makes the hooded figure inhumanly large. I agree with you that this is a vision, so the real fight might not take this shape, but even if the size of Emma’s opponent is scaled down for the real fight, the metaphorical meaning of this huge hooded figure killing her is about an enemy that’s “larger than life” — something that appears absolutely unsurmountable. This is what makes me think it’s some kind of meta-nemesis, not just another regular villain. Unless there’s something we don’t know about Jafar.
The reason I don’t think it’s either Rumple or Regina is because even if they’ve both been Emma’s antagonists at different points of the story, they have also always been her equals. There have been points where Emma had the upper hand, and vice versa, but all in all, this has always been a struggle between equals. Yes, there is a family and emotional connection with both characters, but the visual language of this scene is precisely not about familiarity: it’s about total otherness.Again, as a not so subtle visual metaphor, this seems to be about an enemy that’s augmented by whatever Emma profoundly fears, and lets face it, that’s not Rumple or EQ. She never really feared either of them, even when the odds were overwhelmingly against her, or they had the upper hand and she felt a sense of defeat
In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
Saw this online, the girl uses canon show script to talk about SF, i post the link here bc has language, also all her posts are great but the last one is amazing, also she actually shows that in show, they actually say that SF meet btw 24th october ad 31st december 2001, wonder why Keb never realised this, on the 1st time August and neal meet, August clearly say that while she was the the sistem, but not that she left and there is no indications in show that she run from the sistem, means that SF meet after she was 18 years old, meaning that henry should have 9 in the pilot and if he was born in august would be in 2012 and no way he could have 11 in 2014. The link HERE
an excerp of the post:
Another fact to consider when thinking about Neal/Bae and the “bold” decision to kill him off is WHY?
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We know why. Adam and Eddy told us. Over and over and over again.
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Adam and Eddy WANTED TO KILL PRINCE CHARMING. ABC smartly told them “no!”.
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They couldn’t kill David, so the two idiots INVENTED a Prince Charming they owned (Bae) AND KILLED HIM.
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Don’t see the parallels?
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Snow was a bandit. Emma was a theif.
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David was pretending to be a wealthy prince. Neal was pretending to own a car.
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Snow met David when she tried to rob him in “his” royal carriage. They fell in love. Emma met Neal when she tried to steal “his” car. THEY fell in love.
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King George told Snow if she truly loved David, she would leave him forever even though it meant she’d be alone and miserable. Snow left. August told Neal if he truly loved Emma he would leave her forever even though it meant he’d be alone and miserable. Neal left.
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Listen to Emma and Neal’s music in Tallahassee when she is smiling happily and kissing him by choice as he proposes. That music is Snow and Charming’s True Love theme played on an electric keyboard.
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The pendant? Crossed realms per script via Belle because Emma and Neal were in TRUE LOVE (that’s right, NEAL and Emma sharing TRUE LOVE is cannon. Not fanfic, CANNON. It’s in the script. It happened.)
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Emma and Neal were ABSOLUTELY endgame until the the two idiots realized “hey! We own Neal! We CAN kill Prince Charming! Yay!!!!!!” And the two idiots happily did.
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THAT is why they killed Neal.
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It wasn’t a bold choice. It was a bad idea that had been vetoed years earlier by people much smarter than they were.
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Ever listen to the two idiots give an interview? They stupidly think “the audience knows where this is going” is a sign of FAILURE instead of SUCCESS, and they SOOOOO wanted to kill Prince Charming for the 10 years they spent planning the 1st season.
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In the five minutes they spent planning all further seasons, they couldn’t think of anything to do. (Let’s apply logic: Saying they wanted to get the rights to Neverland and if they did they wanted Captain Hook to have a crush on Emma DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE WAS ANY INTENT FOR HER TO RECIPROCATE THOSE FEELINGS). But the two idiots Wished on the Star power of Colin’s pretty face and made their idiotic disgusting rape culture show-killing dream come true: THEY KILLED THE PRINCE CHARMING ABC DIDN’T OWN: BAELFIRE.
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EMMA AND BAE WERE ENDGAME FROM DAY ONE.
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Rumpel wanted to find his son Bae. Snow and David wanted to find their daughter Emma
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Emma (the child of true love and light magic) was destined to meet and FALL IN TRUE LOVE with Baelfire, AKA Neal Cassidy (the child of a loveless marriage and dark magic).
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The Scripts, the show’s PREMISE, JMo’s performances with MR-J, CO’D statement that Hook was a sociopath, and MR-J shock at being fired ALL support this.
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It was perfect, elegant, and beautiful.
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Too bad the idiots wanted to kill Prince Charming more then they wanted to write a good TV Show. THAT is why they killed Baelfire, aka Neal Cassidy, the Cannon True Love of Emma Swan.All of this. Although, I personally like to have them meet in February, just to give them a year before August ruins things. I also like to make Henry nine in the pilot (the same pilot that claimed that Regina poisoned the apple because Snow was prettier than her, by the way — Early Installment Weirdness!) and add an unmentioned year-long time skip while Graham is still alive, which also accounts for Ashley drinking in “Skin Deep.”
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