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He’ll probably tell her to stay so she can stay safe and she’ll want to go and fight and help, just like before (and we know she’s capable of it! Belle is anyway…) but he’ll say it’ll give him more to worry about and he won’t be able to focus and he needs to do this for his son and there will be lots of PapaRumple feels.
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MysteryKat25Participant@obisgirl wrote:
๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฎ OMG, you guys, another Colin interview, this time with The Hollywood Reporter.
At one point the interviewer asks about Neal.
THR: It seemed like Neal (Michael Raymond-James) in present day was killed at the end of last week’s episode. Can you shed some light on that?
O’Donoghue: Well, he was shot and fell through the portal so … you can definitely assume he was dead because he was shot..Just a moment , NEAL'S DEAD?! ๐ ๐ That would end SwanFire before it even has a chance to start. And with him possibly ending up in the Netherworld with Aurora and Mulan, yeah, he could be dead. And dead is dead.
BREATHE.
As I’ve said in other threads we have to take anything the actors say with a grain of salt. After all, they typically don’t know much further in advance than we do (especially at finale time – they don’t have S3 stuff) and their views tend to tip in favor of their characters point of view.
I’ve noticed things (like the spoiler you just mentioned) in Colin vs MRJ interviews which lead two different ways but neither is lying at all (it’s all in the wording).
As per that specific one…MRJ has pretty much said he still thinks it's possible for SwanFire – thankfully his most recent interview was more down the center, saying he doesn't want to paint the writers into a corner but he thinks it's still a possibility and that NealFire's biggest thing is being part of family, not necessarily getting Emma back. He's in his character's head in a lot of interviews which do tend to go more pro-SwanFire saying that it was heartbreaking last week because he had to let go of the love of his life's hand which gave SwanFire people a lot of hope etc.
Colin's interview is clearly more in the Hook-filter and more in line with the way the audience (the casual audience at least) is looking at things, as well as Hook and most of the SB characters. All he did was point out what we actually SAW – which is what we usually trust in these situations, if we didn't see it we can't always trust it – and all that we SAW was he was shot, and then went through a portal. Colin never said he was dead, he said “you can definitely assume” based on these facts, not that we'd be right in that assumption. Dead would certainly be dead but until we see a body…heck I'm still not even convinced Lancelot is dead because of all the threads they left dangling with him, much less Neal.
Honestly I think if Neal were dead it would not bode well for CaptainSwan because there wasn’t a whole heck of a lot of closure. I think if they wanted us to believe it was complete closure, she would have sat there with him dying in her arms like they did with Graham. Having NealFire out at this stage of the game with so much unfinished business with Rumple, Henry only just getting to know him, and just the faintest scratch on the surface of closure with Emma doesn’t work. I need them to actually talk and realize that while they do love each other very much, they have changed over time and are no longer IN love with each other. Otherwise CaptainSwan will come across as a rebound or 2nd choice and I was already upset with Emma essentially being Neal’s 2nd choice with the Tamara situation. I certainly don’t want anybody to say that Hook is Emma’s 2nd choice. It’s why I’m hoping that they build a strong friendship first, starting with this ep, so that they can get to a point where, when Neal does show back up, she can legitimately be torn (and by legit I mean it’s obvious to everyone on both sides of the ship, or at least as obvious as possible. I get the SF side of things but most just see CS and shout “delusional,” roll their eyes and run away – not all, but some definitely.)
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MysteryKat25Participant@Pan14 wrote:
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
At the time I was under the impression that the wizard of oz thing was a misdirect for that ep (even though the promo gave away it was Frankenstein, grr) BUT that info came from Jane Espenson who has also said that she learns new things in the writer’s room every day and isn’t always told some of the big over-arcing stuff until necessary so it wouldn’t surprise me if they had her go that route not knowing just how much of an impact it would have later.
There IS a name connection between the two, as VICTOR Fleming directed The Wizard of Oz, much like Jacob WHALE directed Frankenstein where the lead character is named Victor. Could be coincidence, could have helped with the red herrings in The Doctor, or it could be an eventual combining of the two. I’m not sure yet but wanted to throw that out there for anybody who was looking for connections with the idea.
Holy poop! VICTOR WHALE coming from Victor Fleming and Jacob Whale… I’M SOLD! He’s definitely the Wizard of Oz on top of Dr. Frankenstein.
Glad somebody likes the idea! I’ve also been wondering why we saw Whale again but in such a small way. Why bring the actor out just to use him for Rumple to look bad in front of Bae? Why not a random extra? (It would have served the same purpose). I have 2 ideas:
1) To remind us of him and show that he’s still around (especially with all this science vs magic stuff going on at the moment…
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2) They’re setting him up for next season maybe with something either relating to the science vs magic debate and/or more Frankenstein story and possibly some Wizard of Oz stuff if we ever get there. (I think S3 might be a little packed with Neverland stuff, but I hope we get Oz at some point!
I really feel like they wanted to remind us that he’s around and there’s more story to tell with him since a lot of people have come and gone and never been seen again. As random and as short as his recent scene was, it does help since a lot of people are frustrated knowing that characters we’ve seen before should still be in town but we haven’t seen them at all.
For instance, on a recent podcast H&K said about other characters we haven’t seen that Abigail & Frederick are together and happy, we haven't seen it but we know they're off somewhere in SB together – I say SB since nobody can leave of course, but the point was that they did get back together; just as I think we can safely assume that Cinderella, Thomas, & Alexandra are off somewhere too
So I think it was a nice albeit random change to show us Whale so he’s at least been on the brain recently rather than saying we haven’t seen him in however long but now he’s huge (if he does, in fact, play an important part in another storyline etc etc.)
I thought it was an interesting connection though – I don’t believe in coincidences much with OUAT but it would tie in nicely since both guys are named Victor and have something to do with directing the biggest version of the movie for the respective characters….just seems too good not to use (and if it it’s used, then it’s a super red herring since it would totally fit).
It could be like before with the typewriter – we think we’ll have to wait forever, August shows it to us after a tiny rant and: it’s a typewriter….we see it again, we aren’t shown what’s inside, we theorize for WEEKS, he finally opens it up and…it’s a typewriter. What if the “misdirect” toward Whale being the wizard wasn’t exactly a misdirect at all?
I’m all for crazy theories as long as they are based on something plausible so I’m happy to help anybody find random connections if I come across them. With these writers we can’t rule anything out too easily, and goodness knows just because he’s already one character doesn’t mean he’s not another. So far it seems to point mostly to Frankenstein but who knows where they’re planning to go with it next? (And I definitely want to see a wizard!) I’ll be honest I wasn’t too fond of Dr. Whale before but I like him now that he’s Dr. Frankenstein (and I hate that whole story) so if anybody can turn stuff on its ear and come out super awesome even from not-so-well-loved material…it’s the OUAT writers.
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
@RumbelleDearie wrote:
Wait, so if that’s Hook’s photo of Milah, and in one of the spoiler pics Bae was holding it while talking to Hook, does that mean Bae found out about what happened to Milah then? Hm.
I was wondering the same thing. I think the picture of Mlah and Hook explaning their relationship and about how Hook saved Bae from Felix and the Shadow is what causes Bae to stay in NL and become a pirate. And together he and Hook try to rescue the Lost Boys
Agreed on all counts!
Also they’re going to have to explain away at least some of the background cast not being there. Meghan Ory’s show was picked up (which I’m happy about – glad to see Josh Holloway (Sawyer from Lost) back on my screen but it will take a lot of time away from seeing Red / Ruby I’m sure).
I can see if SB is somehow saved that a lot of the people that the core cast trust will be left behind to care for the town (almost said kingdom but that’s the line of thinking for them I’m sure – take care of the rest of their “subjects”) while they’re away. I’m sure that character-wise Granny, Ruby, the dwarfs etc etc would love to help…but sometimes more numbers aren’t better, especially for stealthy missions which this could end up being. The less people to worry about in a new land the better. (I just want Grumpy to say something about pirates…or the ship…or both).
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MysteryKat25Participant@obisgirl wrote:
I don’t expect for anything romantic to happen between Emma and Hook in the finale. It would be awesome if it did, but that would be stretching. Maybe something “significant” is Emma realizing that she can trust Hook and she begins to open to him.
Agreed. Hook is big on the trust thing when it comes to Emma. He knows that everybody is and should be out for themselves but he was really hurt when she didn’t trust him even though she kinda tried to tell him it was only because of her past. I think we’ll get some of that in this ep, especially since we somehow go from Charming punching Hook – in Emma's apartment! – to Hook fighting side-by-side with Charming against GOAT. Emma's definitely in the room when the punch happens and I think she'll have to be the one to convince Charming that it's safe to trust Hook – otherwise why wouldn't Charming just think it was a trap set up by GOAT to get him for whatever reason? Bring on the Emma / Hook trust / bonding moment!
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May 10, 2013 at 8:47 pm in reply to: OUAT’s Micheal Raymond James Teases Wormhole Destination #192900MysteryKat25ParticipantThanks slurpeez for posting that! This might be my favorite MRJ interview yet – I think he’s finally learning how much people read into every line anybody says about the show. I think if you really study all the interviews, each actor words things differently and some get into their characters heads and have a more filtered view because that’s what they have to do on a daily basis (MRJ is guilty of this at times as well) but I don’t think any of them are really “lying” but they just don’t know and they tell us honestly what they’re rooting for etc but sometimes it comes across as “this is definitely happening” when it’s clearly not something they’d have knowledge of at the time. (I pay attention to all of the interviews like that & take everything with a grain of salt – I’m paranoid about getting my hopes up).
I’m super excited that he was so vague this time and it puts the rest of what he’s said into perspective. His comment about not wanting to paint anybody into a corner was brilliant and should go for absolutely everything ever said by an actor.
I do agree though that SwanFire is certainly still possible (as long as done realistically so that the rest of us can understand why Emma is going back etc etc – not starting a fight here, I’m ok with it happening if done well was the point), and I like the idea that he is ultimately rooting for “happy endings” when he could easily jump on the SwanFire bandwagon vocally because that’s his character and who plays a character in a triangle and doesn’t say they want their character to get the girl? It was a refreshing take on it rather than just saying yes, I’m rooting for them to be together and getting peoples hopes up for the longrun when he’s not in charge.
To be fair, it really has nothing to do with shipping preferences and I did the same thing with Colin’s interview. Personally I see BOTH sides’ fans getting jerked around a lot and getting their hopes up one day and dashed the next with various interviews. I would hate for either side to be seemingly given promises that they can’t live up to because they don’t have S3 scripts yet to go off of etc.
I absolutely LOVE what he said about family. That Bae’s ultimate goal is to be a part of a family again. I have been 100% whether SwanFire happens or not that Bae needs to get back with Rumple (and therefore Belle, and most especially Henry and that he needs to have some kind of civil, working relationship with Emma whether they are together or not. They are all family now, along with Snowing & Regina too, so they all need to function cohesively for Henry’s sake.
I’m excited for Neal & Henry to get more time together down the line and for Bae to step up and be the dad he always wanted to have. That’s an awesome way to look at things and I can totally see that. For being new at everything he’s good with Henry (though could use a little work on noticing the little escape artist in training….he should know better, the kid is part him and part Emma!)
My happy ending for Bae is being a part of the family and feeling like he has a stable environment where he’s not going to be abandoned and betrayed again, whomever that leaves him with. Glad to hear that side of things come from MRJ as well, as I think at least at this point, that’s the main focus for Bae. (I do think regardless of whether they end up together, Emma & Neal will always have that bond and always love each other whether they are in love or not – a lot can change over a decade and they’ve got a lot of baggage that can’t be wiped away with a near-death scene. When Neal gets back they have some work to do to figure out if the people who loved each other 10 years ago are still there today. Emma’s an entirely different person because of everything she’s gone through and I want it to be realistic, otherwise I don’t see how SwanFire makes any sense for the strong character we’ve seen Emma become to go back to that so easily. I am however looking very much forward to those conversations – preferably more than in 30 second increments every once in a blue moon. If they want me to fight for this couple to happen, they need to start talking more.)
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MysteryKat25ParticipantLooks like I need to stop leaving for a little bit cause new things keep on coming! Surprised there are so many sneaks compared to last year but this finale looks just as epic (and I LOVE the fact that Colin is so excited for it he’s hoping to be able to live-tweet it!)
Ok, so…I agree with any and all who said that this is clearly before he actually talks to Bae. Once he realizes who he is he’ll have to make a choice and I think that choice will be to protect him, at least it better be. The line of thinking I’ve been getting from the interviews etc about Hook’s past are that he’s made some bad mistakes over the years but that he’s trying to make ammends and we should be seeing a different side of him. Hoping that this isn’t one of those mistakes and that the only mistake might be not being to protect him but at least trying, vs just handing him over. The fact that he’s looking at a picture of Milah gives me hope. It also leads to that picture we got of Hook smiling at Bae and Bae is holding a picture of what we guessed back then to be Milah – BONDING MOMENT *I hope*
So…who drew the picture of Milah if Hook has it? I don’t remember seeing anybody draw it but it’s been awhile since I’ve seen any Milah episodes. I always thought maybe Bae would have drawn a picture of his mother and Hook would see it but it sounds like it’s the other way around – otherwise Hook would have been in face asking how he had that picture yada yada.
As for other characters, like Rumple…I love seeing both sides (or multiples in his case) of most of the characters and I root for them when they do good things and I feel for them when they’re sad and I get angry with them when they do bad things. Perfectly natural (although I will agree that I just hate GOAT and unlike some of the other villains we’ve seen, including Cora & King George, I just don’t see anything positive or redeeming in them to ever make me feel sorry for them, even having seen Greg as Owen. I hate that because I feel like I’ve been pretty good about giving most of the characters a chance to win me over and some certainly have but I’m over GOAT, they need to just go.)
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MysteryKat25Participant@AngieBelle wrote:
OMG- that last sneak peek! Regina finally took some responsibility! And so heartbreaking- I almost cried. I think I’m going to feel emotionally drained after this episode. I hope it ends on a hopeful note.
It’s amazing how this show can make you feel for characters that have done absolutely terrible things.
I experienced that so much with Lost. People I hated at the beginning became some of my favorites and some of the ones who seemed alright to start with got on my nerves eventually. They do a great job on both shows of making people not all evil and not all good, but somewhere in between. Some characters take longer…but this is definitely a step in the right direction for Regina! (Especially for those who don’t normally feel sorry for her at all).
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MysteryKat25ParticipantOh wow, what an emotional scene! And then Emma ran off….
So many emotions even if it’s just for any one of the characters:
Regina – she thinks she’s dying and turns over a new leaf to undo everything that the failsafe is causing? Yes please. She maybe, just maybe finally gets it. (And I actually do feel a little sorry for her here…she has her moments and this one in particular, was beautifully done. I hope it sticks, I really do. Her begging Emma to let her do the right thing and die as Regina rather than the Evil Queen that everybody including Henry thinks of her as.
Emma – “what am I supposed to tell my son?”
Henry – he is going to be devestated if something happens even if he gets the idea that she changed finally. Didn’t one of the promos show him asking about his mom and Emma getting a horrible look on her face like she was going to deliver bad news?? (Also didn’t one of the other promos show Regina at the same apartment going to see Henry and it seemed like it was afterwards? (so many things, so confusing to keep track of!)
Pretty sure they’re all going to find a way out of this and make it to the JR (which was just mentioned about going with them!) but so many feelings watching that clip.They do really want to give people HOPE at the end of the season for anything don’t they? Whether it sticks and Regina has actually learned something is a different matter, but here’s hoping.
Also um…I think all of that stuff goes down fairly early, at least first half of the ep because there’s so much stuff to do still after that (Henry being kidnapped, everybody getting on the boat – though it sounds like that idea was in place already thanks to the new clip, hopefully at least getting a glimpse of Neverland, etc etc plus whatever cliffhanger they want to leave us on (I’m still thinking something related to the Home Office).
AHHH so many feelings!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantThanks for posting that!
Prime example of what I was saying in the MRJ thread. (Now, I love Colin and Hook but…) Once again we have an actor looking at things from the character view point and to Hook (and presumably Emma and the rest of them) NealFire is probably dead so he pointed out that you can “assume” that based on the facts that we know (ie: he was shot and went through a portal to goodness knows where and what kind of medical attention they may be able to give him).
He never says that he is dead and I think most of us know that the likelihood of that is zilch, BUT some will think that, as will some of the characters for sure, so it is a safe “assumption” based on the facts though unlikely – sets up a “shocking return” blah blah blah yada yada.
So…like with any interview take it with a grain of salt (see, I can be fair to both ships – I actually like both, I just have more problems with one than the other and the one I like most gets attacked the most).
On with the information: I can’t wait to see Hook & Bae interact!!! I adore young Bae and I am looking forward to filling in the gaps between young Bae and Neal. Also…Hook…interacting with the child of the woman he loves….yes please! Seriously can’t wait to see a different side of Hook that is blatant and obvious and undeniable. I need it just so that people will stop calling him eye candy and his fans delusional. THERE IS GOODNESS IN HIM. Also seeing Killian’s past and not just Hook’s would be awesome so hopefully we at least get teases of what that might have been like (ala Emma in the pilot talking to Henry about her younger days and then eventually finding stuff out).
Also I want more info on Neverland. We haven’t gotten to explore it much yet or seen it during daylight. I’ve been anxiously awaiting Neverland since we first saw Hook go through the whirlpool and I have so many questions / can’t wait for the little nods to various versions of the story.
Bring on more Hook! (And yes, more Bae – did I mention I love young Bae?? Plus it gives Hook a chance to work with a kid and show a softer side, which I am all for. I think everyone will have something to take away from this ep!)
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