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August 18, 2014 at 10:00 am #280354
In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
surayya
Participant& just because who can ever get enough of this scene 😉
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“My walls were up, but you brought them down. You brought me home.”
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[adrotate group="5"]August 18, 2014 at 2:50 am #280343In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
ellemo78
ParticipantThere is the theory around that Henry wasn’t impressed by Snowing calling the baby Neal, b/c in that scene he gets up quickly from the table and leaves. It was probably just a way to get Emma into the foreground shot though. But perhaps he was a little thingy about Prince Neal’s name, b/c it would be a constant reminder of a father he never really got to know. Perhaps he saw Emma and Hook pashing alfresco and got a bit thingy about that, b/c he wouldn’t really know how close Emma and Hook are and he may see it as too soon for Emma move on after his father’s death. Or perhaps maybe he’s changed his tune about magic (although to be honest I’m not entirely sure where he stands on it) and now sees it as pretty cool and wants to get in the family business that way, sneakily researching while helping Gold out at the pawn shop.
I’m hoping for a baby Neal nickname too. Lol @bo-peeps I love BaeLight 😀
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
August 17, 2014 at 4:47 pm #280335In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
Ranisha Pitts
Participantust because a character had less screen time does not mean that they were any less important to the plot or the characters. Yes, it might mean that the writers themselves didn’t see them as important enough to focus on, but Neal still made an impact and he was and still is important. And I’m not even sure what I’m arguing anymore
Which just for the record is something A and E say whenever they get called out about Belle’s screentime in S3A.
True if any you watch Dexter, his adopted Father who is dead is essential to the storyline due to him being a core foundation for who Dexter is and his rules for being a serial killer. Dexter’s father is just as much driving force in the storyline as Dexter is despite he has the most limited screen time to all and truly acts a figment of Dexter’s imagination. But without Dexter’s father there would be not “show” (by show I mean the show that was viewed) because he is that intricate to the plot.
If there was no Neal-son of Rumple, father of Henry, love of Emma-there would be a show but it will not be the show that we have seen today. The entire plotline and mythos will be drastically different. You may not like Neal-heck you may even hate him- but you can not deny that he was intricate to the foundation and storyline of the show. Or maybe you can deny. Hey what ever floats your boat and get your juices going. 😛
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
August 17, 2014 at 4:28 pm #280334In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
Jenna_B
ParticipantI think they’ll give the baby a nickname of some sort — honestly, I think naming the baby Neal was a way to pay homage (*cough*placate*cough*) to Neal (which didn’t go over well…but A for effort).
I guess Henry could play the ‘upset he doesn’t have his mom’s attention’ role…but I guess I just really don’t see it. I think I could see Emma projecting that he would feel that way and reacting to the projection, but I don’t know that I see Henry actually feeling that way, the way he’s written. And I think Henry’s desire to bond with Rumple/get his old memories back as much more poignant and compelling if it has to do with Neal, not Emma/Regina and/or their romantic lives.
August 17, 2014 at 3:31 pm #280322In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
Josephine
ParticipantYes, Neal has so much more invested in the storyline other than Emma. The whole curse was created around the man for heaven’s sake. He’s the reason for the show. Everyone in some way was connected to Neal:
Rumple: Father and reason for the curse
Emma: Past lover Henry: Son
Regina: Manipulated to enact a curse to find him. Adoptive mother to his son.
Snowing: Grandparents to his child.
Belle: Father’s significant other, stepmother (in a way)
Milah: Mother
Hook: Mother’s lover and one time-mentor turned betrayer.
To kill off the central character, much more than anyone else, the keystone of the show and in such an illogical, stupid and mystifying way is unforgivable. Â I would accept his death if it had meaning. Â But it didn’t. Â And it makes me lose faith in the rest of the storytelling.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
August 17, 2014 at 2:19 pm #280305In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
Bo-Peeps
ParticipantNo apologies needed for the rant 🙂 Regina has been all over the place.
Henry has to be doing a major ..what the holy heck…about his new uncle. Teens don’t “get” babies much anyway. Heh. Prince Neal is such an unimaginative name choice and robs the baby of a “baggageless” identity right from day one. One of the ” roll your eyes till they ache ” moments for A&E.
Just brain dead. And yes, it will be very weird for Emma and Henry to have that particular reminder around. Did I mention brains being dead anywhere? Ah, yes, I did.
But we can hope for a great nickname!
I am glad that Henry’s personality and issues may be addressed more and give him some meatier scenes. He has lost out resoundingly in the cute kid department with Roland stealing everyone’s heart now!
Ah yes, cuter than life Roland and his family matters~
Until/unless they besmirch Marian’s character and personality to the point of the viewers rooting for her demise, (or she turns out to be someone else in Marian’s body)I am very pro Robin-Marian. Mostly because of my long enduring love of the legend spawning from Errol Flynn and Olivia HaVilland to Hepburn and Connery with a little Russell Crowe and Cate Blanchett tossed in. It was a tad sacrilegious to go there in the finale but what choice do we have but to deal with it?
I was baffled by how they would get out of that drama then…And still am.
I love Regina’s evil streak and she and dark Rumple are huge reasons why I adore ONCE…but I agree PoM, the lightening speed of Robin and Regina was hard to take seriously. Hey, I am All for smoochie, sassy lust, and Regina could certainly use the hubba hubba in her life. But I didn’t feel too involved in the depth of the fairy dust inspired nookie. No genuine growth shown in comparison to all the other relationships, yup.
And I also agree that her struggle against her scenery chewing sister and the great white-light goodness she pontificated at the end had me echoing Rumple’s ” You can not be serious”
It was…odd.
***Always in search of a good flock***
August 17, 2014 at 12:45 pm #280299In reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire
Ranisha Pitts
ParticipantI think this was posted already but idc, I’m doing it again >>
Two Lost Children. Abandoned by their parents. Son of Dark. Daughter of Light. The curse and the Savior destined to break it. Two Thieves in our world. Finding a home with each other. Outside sources play a part in their temporary separation. The Little Guy who ends up becoming the truest believer ends up saving them in the end. They go off and live their happily ever after by the water. That was the story. That was A&E’s fairytale. Three unique non-established fairytale characters. Fate. Love. Forgiveness. Watching their trials and tribulations as they stumble through the growing pains of reacquainting and learning to be a family and coming out of it on the other side stronger
Yes :/ I’ve been roaming around that dark place called tumblr and got caught up in many feels both sad and angry. I need my Bluebell ice cream.
Almost like it was intentional. Happy Sunday
I don’t want you two are talking about, everything was plan from the beginning
right up to Frozen, because in the Pilot Henry went to the icebox for something to drink. Ice equals Frozen. Foreshadowing!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
August 17, 2014 at 11:53 am #280298In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
PriceofMagic
ParticipantI just saw the RC and Emilie interview about Henry wanting his fake memories back I think Henry might actually be quite upset about Snowing naming their baby Neal because it is a constant reminder that his dad’s dead and, considering season 4 picks up right where season 3 left off, that pain and grief is still going to be quite fresh for Henry. Henry might not be against CaptainSwan per se, but I could see him feeling like he can’t talk to Emma about his dad because she’s now busy with her new relationship. I could also see Emma maybe using Henry as an excuse to try and keep Hook at an emotional distance when things start getting a little too real for her because of her walls.
As for CaptainSwan, even if their relationship is relatively smooth sailing in 4A, they’re still going to be better written than OutlawQueen were in 3B.
CS has had:
2 seasons worth of build-up
Actually shown why they might feel attracted to each other.
Actually shown Hook starting to redeem himself, overcoming his dark past (Making at least a civil truce with Rumple) and starting to make amends with those he has wronged (his apology to Belle and helping her research)
Actually shown Hook proving himself to Emma before she started taking a romantic interest in him.
Actually shown Hook taking an interest in trying to bond with Henry (Who is arguably the most important person in Emma’s life)OQ has had:
About 3 minutes in 1 episode to tell us Regina and Robin are soulmates because the pixie dust said so.
Had Robin take a romantic interest in Regina right from the off despite her reputation as the evil Queen without us being shown WHY.
Had Regina shoot Robin down in EF and show no interest in him whatsoever, even going so far as insulting him.
In Storybrooke, Regina is suddenly attracted to Robin without us being shown WHY.
In Storybrooke, Robin is still attracted to Regina despite being unable to remember the lost year thus his last memories of her should be as the Evil Queen. Again, we are not shown WHY.
Regina seems to have bonded with Roland (arguably the most important person in Robin’s life) yet Robin has made no attempt to bond with Henry (arguably the most important person in Regina’s life)
Regina’s happiness is all dependent on Robin’s love.OQ’s relationship is entirely built on “because the pixie dust said so”, CS’s relationship (and Snowing and RumBelle) are all built on showing WHY these two people have connected emotionally and romantically.
I can’t ship OutlawQueen because it is so contrived. There is absolutely no reason why Robin would’ve taken such an interest in Regina especially because of her reputation. It would’ve been much more interesting to see them both hate each other initially and then begin to connect. It would’ve explained why they were so drawn to each other in Storybrooke. The reveal that Regina killed Marian made OQ that much worse. Robin was literally dating his wife’s murderer.
Regina was such a hypocrite in Kansas with her “heroes don’t kill speech” because you just know, had it been HENRY that died, Regina would’ve been first in line to kill Zelena. Why didn’t they have Charming or Emma, one of the actual heroes, stop Rumple and give the line. Maybe then he might actually have calmed down a little because he wasn’t being patronised. Suddenly Regina can do LIGHT magic? Why couldn’t she do it in EF and save everyone the hassle of trying to cross worlds?
Regina was supposedly meant to struggle to open herself to love yet she seemed to manage it pretty darn well. Emma and Rumple have struggled to open themselves to love and are, in some respects, still struggling. Regina’s “struggle” on the other hand is running away when she sees Robin’s tattoo, then coming back and sleeping with him, happily giving him her heart to look after and confiding in him despite only knowing him for a short while. She then got angry because his beloved wife and mother of his child, who she murdered in the past, came back.
Considering Regina was supposedly Zelena’s main target, she came off quite lightly. She didn’t suffer anything other characters didn’t suffer:
She got thrown through the clock tower- so did Johanna in season 2
Zelena threatened to erase Regina from existence- Snow, Emma, Henry and baby Snowing’s existence was threatened too.Regina didn’t suffer anything at Zelena’s hands that other characters didn’t suffer. So why the hell was Regina offering Zelena second chances. What Regina “suffered” is miniscule compared to what RUMPLE suffered at Zelena’s hands yet Regina had the nerve to patronise him and tell him “heroes don’t kill”.
Between season 2 Hook and 3B Regina, I dislike 3B Regina more. Hook was never pretentious, patronising or hypocritical. He wasn’t a nice guy but at least he didn’t play the “poor me” routine like Regina did.
Apologies for the rant but 3B Regina annoyed me that much.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAugust 17, 2014 at 11:06 am #280294In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
surayya
ParticipantAgree with you as well Jenna, besides it’d be very double standard-y to have Henry get angsty over Emma’s romance, when he was totally fine with Regina & Robin’s even after he got his memories back, I mean Regina raised him for 10yrs, he’s had what, 2yrs with Emma in his life? & Neal was with Tamara for most of the time Henry knew him, since NL went down over 2weeks, Henry only knew his father for 4-6weeks tops & of that, only a few hours were post Tamara… that’s hardly time to invest a great deal in “Mum & Dad getting back together” IMO. His next memories were of Neal getting Emma sent to jail, then him being dead…It’d seem quite shallow for him get upset over Emma seeing someone new, knowing exactly what Neal did to Emma & how it affected her- he lived that for a year, that’s longer than he even knew his father.
It makes sense that he’d want to connect to his father’s memories through those that knew him best- that would be Rumple & Killian.
August 17, 2014 at 8:47 am #280292In reply to: The Captain Swan thread!
obisgirl
ParticipantFrom the spoilers I’ve been reading (from comic con) that seems to be the case.captain swan’s issues next season will be more internal than external. Emma’s walls aren’t going to disappear overnight and Hook will be fighting to be someone worthy of Emma’s love. I haven’t read a spoiler that Henry will have an issue with Emma and Hook being together. which is great.
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