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August 16, 2012 at 12:55 am #153055
In reply to: Who is Michael Raymond-James going to be?
Josephine
ParticipantBee, this made me smile for some reason. I don’t know who he is, but it sounds good.
I have a feeling that whoever he is that he’ll be in Storybrooke first. I’m hoping as Emma’s ex and Henry’s father, but I don’t think they’ll introduced him this early. But like others have said, I’ve gotten it wrong a lot. I was convinced August was NOT Pinocchio because of the red hair. I thought all the clues were red herrings. So I have no idea who he’ll be.
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August 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm #153047In reply to: More Spoilers for Season 2
Phee
Participant@AntBee wrote:
Plus, I forgot to add before that out of the 3, he maybe the only one that knows about the Dagger, which is something else I’m also very worried about in Regina finding out. The BF might know, but it’s not too clear whether she revealed that information to August or whether Bae may have met August and worked on a plan with him to get the Dagger away from Rumple.
I totally think that Mother Superior is the “little fairy” who told August all about the dagger.
Totally think she retained her memories, because she’d have felt it was her obligation to keep an eye on how things played out in their new world, and she’d have probably been the only one in FTL with the power to ward off that part of the curse.
She’d also have had knowledge of the dagger in FTL. If she was the original power, I suspect she may have had a hand in creating the Dark One curse and the dagger. Even if not, someone in her position of power would have made it her business to know as much as possible about the ultimate evil being in her realm.
We know August saw her in Storybrooke before he went to see Mr Gold. I believe that it was a case of Pinocchio tracking down BF, someone powerful who he’d known personally in FTL, someone who had helped him before, because he was at a loss about what to do next and needed advice. Lucky for him, she had her memories and some information for him.
Yes, they usually have revealed the casting announcement fairly soon after making the casting call, so that does seem very unusual that they haven’t. Of course, even if Michael Raymond-James is Jack and Bae, it seems weird that they can’t even announce the Jack part because fans are going to speculate that he could also be Bae whether they reveal that or not.
Maybe he’s Peter Pan, or maybe they want people to think he’s Peter Pan. (I suddenly feel like Vizzini in The Princess Bride.)
Whoever else MRJ may be, I’m really starting to think that he’s (also) gonna be Henry’s father. With Charming seemingly easily stepping into a father figure role, judging by set pics, especially those new pics of them play sword fighting, it would add some tension to the storyline of that newly forming relationship if Henry’s bio-dad showed up in town around the same time. Oh wow, new crackpot theory…
…Henry’s bio dad shows up and wants to get to know him. Emma tries to come between them, insisting that he’s bad news, even though Henry wants to give him a chance. Regina sees an in to get Henry back in her good graces and tries to encourage his dad being in his life. Could Henry then choose to switch sides and warm to Regina and turn against Emma? Not sure if that would be awesome in a tragic way, or just plain tragic. Would they even go there? I think my head just sploded. π
August 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm #153042In reply to: Filming Shots for 2×3
antbee
ParticipantThanks for the new pictures. π
I didn’t expect Grandpa Charming to teach Henry sword fighting this soon, but I love it. I still wonder where Emma and Snow are though in Storybrooke since I still haven’t seen them. Surely they wouldn’t separate them from the main cast for that long, I think. π
Makes you wonder at what he’d learn from his other grandfather……sorry, I just couldn’t resist saying it.
lol, oh it would be great if that could be a happy reunion too and get all type of cute moments, but I’m guessing the Charmings and probably Bae too wouldn’t want Henry around Rumple if that theory turns out to be correct.
Here are the pics from a Jefferson-Grace reunion
Aw, those were sweet and heartwarming too, but not quite as much as the sword fighting ones, imo. It’s hard to tell from just a few pics, but it seems like their reunion goes smoothly.
He’s wearing his school uniform. On Fanforum, it was mentioned that Grace was spotted, too. They must be still going to school. I wonder if Snow is still going to teach. Are they going to continue their jobs? Will Whale still be a doctor? How odd would it be to go to class and have your former queen, assuming Snow White was queen after they took back the kingdom, as your teacher. Since time really hasn’t moved forward all that much Henry must still be in Snow’s class. Maybe they’ll carpool to school together since I’d imagine that they’ll all be living together…Snow, Charming, Emma and Henry.
Yes, this is weird because I figured once everyone knew who they were again that they would stop being their Storybrooke counterparts. Of course, maybe it’s not that easy because I guess things still have to be done, and maybe it’s easier to keep doing their regular routines than hiding out or planning all day for what Regina and Rumple might do next.
August 15, 2012 at 10:38 am #153041In reply to: Snow White & Prince Charming Relationship Thread
elle
ParticipantI don’t think Emma is going to let them approach her easily, and I think that is going to cause conflict. They both are going to have a hard time bonding with Emma, who may not be able to right away seperate Snow White and Prince Charming from their Storybrooke counterparts. Henry will be the most willing–this has always been his dream. π He’ll probably try to encourage Emma more, and that may be able to ease the tension. Henry was the one to bring Emma to Storybrooke, I think he will be the one to help connect the Charming family together. π
Prince Charming is certainly going to hold Regina responsible. The fact that she hit on him is going to add fuel for his dislike of her–I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him going a bit on the vengeful side. Not too dark, but he will hold her also responsible for what happened to Snow White when she was Mary Margaret and how she was hurt, and that is something that I don’t think he will ever forgive. He may also have a hard time forgiving himself–he hurt Snow White. π Unintenionally, but she was hurt with no one (except for Emma) on her side and comforting her.
August 15, 2012 at 12:37 am #153038In reply to: Filming Shots for 2×3
Josephine
ParticipantAwww. That is so adorable.
Makes you wonder at what he’d learn from his other grandfather……sorry, I just couldn’t resist saying it. π
He’s wearing his school uniform. On Fanforum, it was mentioned that Grace was spotted, too. They must be still going to school. I wonder if Snow is still going to teach. Are they going to continue their jobs? Will Whale still be a doctor? How odd would it be to go to class and have your former queen, assuming Snow White was queen after they took back the kingdom, as your teacher. Since time really hasn’t moved forward all that much Henry must still be in Snow’s class. Maybe they’ll carpool to school together since I’d imagine that they’ll all be living together…Snow, Charming, Emma and Henry.
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August 14, 2012 at 5:40 pm #153033In reply to: More Spoilers for Season 2
elle
ParticipantThis is an interesting spoiler…
I think the Charming family can be ruled out–Regina is the ememy, they hate her, she hates (with the exception of Henry) all of them.
I think it is safe to rule out Red Riding Hood. She has shown herself to be truly loyal to Snow White and Prince Charming. To have her (or Granny) betray everyone would be very out of character. The only way it would work is if it were explained enough to believe that Red would come to that choice. And even then, it would be hard to believe that she would side with Regina. π
Belle (I think) won’t betray anyone, either. True she may be darker in season 2, but I don’t think it will be to the point of where she will betray everyone. She deeply loves Rumpelstiltskin, and it makes no sense that she would help the woman who imprisoned her–unless Regina was somehow able to control her without her knowledge. π₯
August has been shown to not be trustworthy (nor dependable at times, though I still love him) so there is more of a possibility. I still doubt it–he has his father on his mind, and I think he does feel incredible guilt for what he did to Emma (as he should) so for him to side with Regina does seem a reach, though it could happen if Regina were to promise him something in return.
I can’t picture The Blue Fairy. No matter how much damage she had done, she still has helped in the battle against Regina. It wouldn’t make sense for her to suddenly change sides–though we have seen her to do what she feels is best for everyone. She may feel the need to turn on everyone for what she deems to be the greater good.
But Hook could be the one that turns people against one another–they are building him up to be a smart villain. He could be the one to trick one of the characters.
August 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm #153031In reply to: More Spoilers for Season 2
Slurpeez
ParticipantCan’t see it being August, because is he really considered trustworthy? He’s one of my fave characters and even I wouldn’t say he’s trustworthy. He was hiding stuff from the moment he rolled into town, wouldn’t reveal who he was or why he was there until he got desperate, and though he claimed to not be a liar, that was totally a lie. One of his fairytale persona’s noteworthy traits is that he lies. So I’m thinking we can rule August out of the equation for this spoiler.
Totally agree with this thought. Not even Emma, who was blind for most of S1, trusts him any longer (though she may forgive him). Even though he lies, I think he’ll be one of the characters who finds redemption this year (which Adam and Eddy said is the theme for S2).
and some we had come to believe could be trusted will turn against their own kind.
Like Phee pointed out, the wording here is interesting. “Some” definitely implies the possibility of more than one character. I think the BF could be one of these characters, potentially. She thinks she serves “the greater good” and has a very utilitarian view of morality. That being said, however, I’d be surprised if she sided with Regina; in fact, I predict this won’t happen since she was very against Regina when the curse was broken in 1×22. I think it’s more likely the BF would try to take control for herself and the fairies. I think Nova will likely join Grumpy though, in a sort of rebellion against the ranks.
The thought also occurred to me that the list could include Belle, whom many believe to be a heroine. If she were to join ranks with Rumpelstiltksin, however, she could become his ally and a de facto villain herself (or at least his accomplice). We don’t know for sure which side Rumpel will take, but we know he’s definitely self-serving to the extent of creating the dark curse to start with. Emilie de Ravin hinted we’d see a “darker” Belle this season. I’m thinking we may also discover that Baelfire, who was so brave and virtuous as a child, may have turned darker after his father let go of him. He could have become embittered and hardened with a tough edge as a result.
"Thatβs how you know youβve really got a home. When you leave it, thereβs this feeling that you canβt shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
August 14, 2012 at 12:55 pm #153027In reply to: More Spoilers for Season 2
antbee
ParticipantNo new spoilers yesterday other than Sarah Bolger returning to the set, so I’m resorting to double posting about the ABC Medianet release. π
I was surprised that Red as become one of the top suspects to be the traitor if there is one at Fan Forums. She may regain her wolf form and have trouble controlling it, but she nor Granny have never seemed the traitor type. So I guess it would be a surprising twist if they did turn out to be the traitor, but I don’t think a twist like that could just come out of the blue just to do a twist either.
If it’s not the Blue Fairy, I like the idea of it being Grumpy and Nova turning against the other dwarves and fairies and following through with their love since it would be a happy twist, and not at all like what most people would be expecting in a traitor storyline.
Finally, only one person at Fan Forum has suggested August as the traitor, but the posters were theorizing about how much Regina knows about Bae. I think she knows zero right now, but I wonder if one of the traitors could be in someone finally telling Regina all about Rumple’s son. Obviously, Belle can be ruled out. Right now that leaves only Archie, the Blue Fairy, and August.
Out of those three, I don’t think they would have the Blue Fairy side with Regina by revealing that information to her since that would be showing their hand too early if she really is a Big Bad, imo. Plus, right now revealing that kind of information probably wouldn’t fit with her m.o. where she “helps” people even if it might be for her own hidden agenda.
Archie/Jiminy is a better possibility, but I think most of his storyline this season will be about his redemption for his part in Gepetto’s parents’ deaths and helping people learn to adjust to having dual identities. Plus, he was so spectacularly wrong about Regina when he was Archie when talking to Emma when she was about to leave town that I can’t see him working with her anytime soon.
So that leaves August. I think he could be very vulnerable to being manipulated by Regina especially if she’s able to promise him that she can ensure that he stays a real person forever depending on how he’s transformed back into a human, and if there’s still conditions on staying a real person. The only problem is that he already has so much to redeem himself for that I’m not sure they need to add even more, but on the other hand, if they want to make him more of a background character now, having him reveal that kind of important information to Regina could be one way to do that.
August 13, 2012 at 6:10 am #153024In reply to: Ten questions
anne_anli
Participant1. The character you first fell in love with…
August. I love the mystery he had around him for so long.
2. The character you never expected to love as much as you do now…
Rumplestilskin. I guess it’s easy to say that too, because he’s supposed to be a bad guy you are not supposed to like, but than all this back story makes you care for him. And his character is just plain fun to watch.3. The character everyone else loves that you don’t…
Emma. I identify with the whole skepticism she has and I really hate it. When proof is all around and she is still stubbornly denying the obvious it just rubs me the wrong way.4. The character you love, but everyone else hates…
Don’t hate me for this, but I love Regina. Just the pure evil person she is in both worlds is very attractive to watch. It is so easy to hate her that it actually makes me love her (if that makes sense at all). The actress is doing an amazing job with the character.5. The character you used to love, but don’t any longer…
David. I think it was Jenny who said that she just wishes she could slap him at times and I have to agree with her. He is such a wimp. I get it that he kinda got caught in between both worlds, but he just never gets over it and stand up for what he believes in.6. The character you would totally smooch…
August. Just totally cute.7. The character you’d want to be like…
Red, no doubt. She is just awesome.8. The character you’d like to slap…
David, the blue fairy and Cora
9. A pairing that you love…
I know a lot of people are super fans of Rumbelle, but I just am not a huge fan of the two of them. I really don’t know what pairing I like at the moment. I would love to see Red pair up with someone and see what happens.
10. A pairing that you despise…
I agree with obisgirl on Emma and Gold. I really don’t like the two of them working together.August 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm #153008In reply to: WHO IS THE PUPPET MASTER
antbee
ParticipantGood question.
Based on just how I think the show wants viewers to see the Blue Fairy and Keegan Connor Tracy’s most recent interview, I would say that I don’t think she’s a puppet master. I think the show tries to present her as someone that has to make choices, maybe not always the right ones, but generally working for the greater good.
However, based on the feelings I get while watching the Tracy’s acting in some scenes and what choices the show has had the Blue Fairy make, I can’t help wonder if she’s not really the puppet master behind Rumple.
I think the show wants us to only see her as a “good” character, so I should probably stop wondering about her true motives, but I just don’t like her character at all. It’s not only about liking Rumple as a character either because a lot of people, not all though, that defend the Blue Fairy think it is. I think Rumple was a coward, and it was his own fault that he lost his son. So I don’t blame her on Rumple not going with Bae. I do think she should have told Bae more about what would happen when he used the magic bean, but again it’s still all on Rumple that he was a coward and didn’t go with Bae. I also think that she should have straight out lied to Rumple that there was no way that he could ever reunite with Bae again because he got the whole Dark Curse idea from her. I’m not saying that he wouldn’t have still plotted the idea because he probably would have eventually, but that whole bean stuff is just bizarre to me because just going by the actress in those scenes. First she seems like wants Bae and Rumple gone for her own reasons after she gives Bae the bean. Then, she’s all ambiguous when she “accidentally” reveals to Rumple that a curse could reunite him with his son. Not to mention her little speech that she gives to Rumple about how she’s working for the greater good because every villain/”bad” person generally thinks that they are too. Finally, I don’t know what to think about her not introducing the idea of true love’s kiss to redeem Rumple either. It just seems so common as a cure at least judging by “Pilot”, “Skin Deep”, “What Happened to Frederick”, and “A Land Without Magic” that she could have suggested the idea first to Bae, but for now I won’t hold that against her because it could be just be the writing’s fault and not a fault of the character for not suggesting it to Bae first.
Even without the whole magic bean incident to make me suspicious of her there was “Dreamy”. That episode was probably one of my least favorites of the season, and besides introducing the idea that Rumple hates the fairies, it seemed like a lot of filler for one episode, imo. So maybe I started to read into things that weren’t really there, but it bothered me that the Blue Fairy was so against Dreamy and Nova as a couple. I can understand being concerned about Nova and Dreamy actually making it as a couple, but she took it too far imo. I don’t buy the excuse that she’s trying to prep Nova to be the next Head of the Fairies either because Nova seems so inept at her job, and there’s so many other fairies that surely there’s someone else that could be the next leader instead of Nova. As a “good” creature, I would have thought that she would have encouraged true love no matter who it was between because that kind of magic is so rare even in their world, but instead she put the kibosh on it. To me it just felt like she was more concerned about not losing any subordinates that worked for her and all about getting that fairy dust than actually being concerned about the feelings of Nova and Dreamy.
Then, there was “The Stranger” that sealed the deal for me. Again maybe it was the writing’s fault as to why Gepetto could have been the only one that could build the wardrobe despite the fact that the fairies are magical, and there’s surely a lot of other craftsmen that would have done the job much faster and without any kind of demands that would threaten their whole world, but no it had to be Gepetto. So she lies to Snow White and Prince Charming, even though previously she says fairies never lie. So my mild dislike of the Blue Fairy turned into full blown loathing after that episode.
I would think it would make a great plot twist if it did turn out all along that the Blue Fairy was the real puppet master behind everything because Fairy Tale Land was dying, and she needed to get to another world or some reason like that. I don’t think it will happen though because I think the show wants viewers to see her as a “good” but also flawed character, but for me I don’t think they did a good job of doing that because all I see now is the bad things she had done since for me she really hasn’t done enough for me to overlook those and focus on the positive things that she’s done. Sure she finally answered Jiminy’s wish, but that was only after he already helped turn Gepetto’s parents into puppets. She “helped” Bae, but then let his dad know that they could eventually be reunited through a curse. She also didn’t help stop the Ogre Wars, at all despite Morraine saying that she was more powerful than Rumple. She helps save Emma, but then lies to her parents about how many people can fit in the wardrobe, so baby Emma could have died which means everyone would have been doomed. She helps Snow attack King George’s castle, but that whole scene is probably one of the most cringe-worthy and cheesiest ever on this show, so far, so instead of showing something positive that the Blue Fairy has done, I found that whole thing embarrassing to watch.
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