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Another thing they might do is continue along this biblical path 1. Emma absorbs everyone’s darkness, so that everyone gets the chance to continue their lives, starting with a clean slate. 2. Emma dies. killing the dark curse, and the characters’ darkness along with her. 3. Merlin or some other god-like figure resurrects her, or she becomes a bright star in the night sky.This actually….this could actually make a lot of sense, and I definitely see this as a possibility of the route! Brilliant headcannon @onceaholic!
The only slight issue is that that would be a perfect way to end the series all together, and if they pull this off in Season 5 and are renewed for Season 6, who could be the new villain if Emma sucked everyone’s darkness out?
It’d have to be the original darkness….Hades type of figure!
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In reply to: Perhaps Rumple will Try to Kill Emma
Removing the “Dark One” from Rumple, I’m guessing, only resets him to his previous form. He will be the weak coward, hungry for power, and willing to do all the wrong things to get power. I think he will attempt to get the dagger and kill Emma with it, thus regaining his powers as the “Dark One”.
I’ve got a horrible feeling that this will happen. It was hinted at when the apprentice said that Rumple would struggle adjusting to this world without his powers.
Another thing they might do is continue along this biblical path
1. Emma absorbs everyone’s darkness, so that everyone gets the chance to continue their lives, starting with a clean slate.
2. Emma dies. killing the dark curse, and the characters’ darkness along with her.
3. Merlin or some other god-like figure resurrects her, or she becomes a bright star in the night sky.
If Rumple succeeds, replace Emma with Rumple in the plot above.
If Rumple’s heart is used as a darkness sucking device as @nevermore suggested, replace Emma with the Rumple’s bright heart.
Something as weird or as silly as that.
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In reply to: Perhaps Rumple will Try to Kill Emma
Anyway, we actually don’t know if he wakes up at all. It’s quite possible the white glowing heart is simply needed for yet another one of A&E bizarre alchemical experiments. It might turn out that saving Emma will require a “heart that has been vacuumed of dark magic and has been returned to the chest of a largely lifeless man artificially preserved through a magic spell.” Maybe they’re setting up Rumple’s redemption through organ donation. ?
Actually, I was thinking the same thing.
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In reply to: Perhaps Rumple will Try to Kill Emma
Although it feels like a cheat if they go this route. Rump never changed, he just got his heart vaccummed and now he is all good. To me, that’s no different than having the author write him as a hero.
Well, I suppose we don’t actually know that. If he wakes up “redeemed,” all problems solved, then that will feel like just lazy writing. But the other extreme (Rumple is back to his old tricks, I needs moar powerz!!!) would be totally unsatisfying, and also unconvincing. Essentially, unless they show some kind of internal struggle, it’s just going to fall flat.
Anyway, we actually don’t know if he wakes up at all. It’s quite possible the white glowing heart is simply needed for yet another one of A&E bizarre alchemical experiments. It might turn out that saving Emma will require a “heart that has been vacuumed of dark magic and has been returned to the chest of a largely lifeless man artificially preserved through a magic spell.” Maybe they’re setting up Rumple’s redemption through organ donation. 😛
In reply to: Perhaps Rumple will Try to Kill Emma
Rumpel’s heart has been sucked dry of all darkness. It like literally the brightest bright heart we have seen since Henry plopped his out to give to Pan. I think its safe to say that the roles will be reversed. EMMA will ikely be the addict trying to steal Gold’s heart for her own magical reasons (a heart void of all darkness has a nice powerful magical ring to it) and Gold will be playing the hero role for now I think.
Although it feels like a cheat if they go this route. Rump never changed, he just got his heart vaccummed and now he is all good. To me, that’s no different than having the author write him as a hero.
Idk, Just thoughts.
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So I had a random thought today: What if Emma or the Dark One (or both) wanted to kill Rumple? He just loopholed out of the DO curse, and he hurt Emma’s family before that.
So maybe we’re asking the wrong question 🙂
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In reply to: Perhaps Rumple will Try to Kill Emma
Was Rumple having Isaac rewrite his happy ending as the Light One his own misguided attempt to spare himself and others the consequences of his death of self (i.e. Rumple the man is no more, and only the Dark One remains)? While Rumple’s act was completely misguided and in line with his nasty habit of self-preservation, not to mention completely selfish of him to give the villains their happy endings at the expense of the heroes, Rumple “dying” caused the greatest darkness ever known to be unleashed and caused Emma to become the next dark one.
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Will TLK work on Emma though? They’ve kind of played fast and loose with that. It started to work in 1×12, but ever since Belle and Rumple were reunited in 1×22 their kisses have not broken the curse. I suppose one could argue Rumple hasn’t fully loved her since then, but still, having Henry or Hook kiss Emma to break the Dark One Curse is way too easy.
I have this ridiculous theory that because Emma is both Light and Dark magic now, she is going to eventually figure out that the difference between the two magics is more symbolic/nominal than categorical, which will enable her to bring the two into balance.
Unlike Rumple, who was an arguably good, but weak man who had no magic at all, Emma is a magical being. In this sense, Emma might overcome the darkness on her own, but not by eliminating it altogether, but by re-mooring it with the light part of her being (the whole logic that light causes objects to cast shadows, you can’t have one without the other etc). The Apprentice’s explanation about Merlin trying to fight the darkness, then containing it by tethering it to a living soul, makes me think that this is a “world out of balance” paradigm, and that the darkness had ‘come loose’ and must be returned to its proper place. That being said, I don’t think Emma will achieve this alone, I’m sure her loved ones, whoever they are in S5, will help.
On the other hand, it might be nice to see a philosophical answer to the nature of TLK, or why it works, or what counts as True Love for that matter. Otherwise it’s not much more than a plot device.
Even as the Dark One, Rumple could still choose to do good, heroic things. My theory is that his original human weakness caused his evil, not any external dark force. I think Emma will be a different “Dark One” than Rumple. Don’t get me wrong. I still think she will be more quick to act on her dark impulses. She will probably kill. But being heroic to start with, I think she will be more likely to choose the heroic path.
Rumple did try to do heroic things, it’s just that the dark curse also gave him a bit of a personality make-over, and from there he struggled between these two sides, until the darker side almost completely won. For Rumple, this was a long game, and it sounds like the DO curse eats away at the person little by little.
I think one fundamental difference between Rumple and Emma is that Rumple had very little by way of a support network whereas Emma is surrounded by people who love her and are rooting for her. Loner Emma from S1 was a very very different person. How this will play out for her in relation to the DO thing remains to be seen, but I think it’s more than personal “willpower” to be heroic, and more than “TLK.” It takes a village, as they say.
In reply to: Left with a lot of questions…
1. If “Heroes and Villians” didn’t really happen because it was “fiction”, then why is the Charmings’ theft of Lily’s egg still part of the story? Isaac made that up, too. Why is that not “fiction”?
This is the very question that has been bugging me. Cruella was from fictional London, a place that exists outside of time, as if it were part of a literary world created by some author. Yet, why have Cruella’s inability to kill Henry stick (a “real world” consequence) but not have anything about the AU, another work of fiction, stick? Why have a “real world” consequence the of apprentice being forced to send Lily to ALWM (“the real world”) but not have the publication of Heroes and Villains in the “real world” stick? The pen seemed to have the power not only to record events, create or alter things in a fictional AU, but also to force characters like Cruella or the apprentice to do things against their will, and then have those alterations remain in tact, even in the real world. And what about the events that happened in ALWM (i.e. the publication of Isaac’s book)? If Henry successfully undid Isaac becoming a best-selling author, then that flies in the face of what the apprentice told Henry about the pen not being able to change things that happened in the real world. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Another problem I have with the finale is to do with Isaac’s age. Just how old is he supposed to be? He was a fairly young man in the 1960s flashback, which I assumed happened in ALWM. How does he appear to be so young in the present day? Is his youthful appearance the result of him being trapped inside of the book for about 31 years? Isaac was trapped in the book about a month or so after Emma’s conception in the EF, and she is about 30 in the present day. But that still leaves about 20 years in the timeline in which Isaac appears not to have aged (1960s-1983, when the curse brought baby Emma to ALWM).
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